by Howard Grief
In the entire debate now taking place on whether the United
Nations Security Council or General Assembly has the right to approve the
application of the “Palestinian Authority” to be recognized as a new member
state of the UN, almost no mention is made of the legal fact that the UN itself
is barred by its own Charter from acting upon or approving such an application.
The reference here is, of course, to Article 80 of the UN Charter, once known
unofficially as the Jewish People’s clause, which preserves intact all the
rights granted to Jews under the Mandate for Palestine , even after the Mandate’s expiry on May
14-15, 1948 . Under
this provision of international law (the Charter is an international treaty),
Jewish rights to Palestine and the Land of Israel were not to be altered
in any way unless there had been an intervening trusteeship agreement between
the states or parties concerned, which would have converted the Mandate into a
trusteeship or trust territory. The only period of time such an agreement could
have been concluded under Chapter 12 of the UN Charter was during the
three-year period from October 24, 1945, the date the Charter entered into
force after appropriate ratifications, until May 14-15, 1948, the date the
Mandate expired and the State of Israel was proclaimed. Since no agreement of
this type was made during this relevant three-year period, in which Jewish rights
to all of Palestine may conceivably have been altered had Palestine been
converted into a trust territory, those Jewish rights that had existed under
the Mandate remained in full force and effect, to which the UN is still
committed by Article 80 to uphold, or is prohibited from altering.
As a direct result of Article 80, the UN cannot transfer these
rights over any part of Palestine , vested as they are in the Jewish People,
to any non-Jewish entity, such as the “Palestinian Authority.” Among the most
important of these Jewish rights are those contained in Article 6 of the
Mandate which recognized the right of Jews to immigrate freely to the Land of Israel and to establish settlements thereon,
rights which are fully protected by Article 80 of the UN Charter.
It should be common knowledge that under the Mandate, all of
Palestine was reserved exclusively for the establishment of the Jewish National
Home and future independent Jewish State, as was previously decided at the San
Remo Peace Conference that took place in April 1920. Or put another way, no
part of Palestine was allotted for an Arab National Home or
state, since Arab self-determination was being generously granted elsewhere –
in Syria , Iraq , Arabia , Egypt and North Africa – which has led to the establishment of
the 21 Arab states of today, over a vast land mass from the Persian Gulf to the Atlantic Ocean . There is thus no necessity for a new
independent Arab State in the specific area of former Mandated
Palestine reserved for Jewish self-determination, most particularly, in Judea , Samaria and Gaza . Creating such a state out of Jewish land
would be blatantly illegal under Article 80 of the UN Charter and beyond the
legal authority of the UN itself.
In this respect, neither the League of Nations nor its successor, the United Nations,
ever had sovereign rights over the land we Jews call Eretz-Israel. As a
non-sovereign, the UN has no power whatsoever to allot territory to the
“Palestinian Authority” where the allotted territory already belongs to the Jewish
People.
Moreover, there is no article in the UN Charter which gives either
the Security Council or the General Assembly or even the Trusteeship Council
the power to create a new independent state. If the UN had such power, then
logically it would also have the inverse power to “de-create” or dismember an
existing state, a power it certainly does not enjoy under the UN Charter. If,
theoretically speaking, this power did exist, the UN would be in effect a world
legislature that could make or unmake states by its own volition, a power that
would put in jeopardy the present world order.
For the foregoing reasons, the bill introduced in the US Congress
by Ileana Ros-Lehtinen is definitely the proper course of action to follow. UN
illegality needs to be roundly condemned and stopped dead in its tracks by an
appropriate punitive measure, exactly as Ros-Lehtinen has proposed. Her bill
would be even more worthy if it were to include a direct reference to Article
80 and to the fact that the UN has no legal power to create a state or to allot
another state’s territory for that purpose, accomplished through the devious or
underhanded means of accepting the applicant’s request for membership in the
world body.
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•Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by algemeiner.
Face it - No Arab-Palestinian state west of the Jordan River
If you read the 1917 Balfour Declaration (Which emulated Napoleons 1799 letter to the Jewish community inPalestine promising that The National Home for The Jewish people will be
reestablished in Palestine , as the Jews are the rightful owners). Nowhere does it state an
Arab entity west of The Jordan River.
The San Remo Conference of April 1920 which incorporated The Balfour Declaration into International Law with no boundary restrictions it does not state an Arab entity west of The Jordan River, confirmed by Article 95 in the 1920 Treaty of Sevres which was signed by all the Allied Powers and the Treaty of Lausanne.
The Mandate forPalestine terms does not state an Arab entity west of the Jordan River . It specifically
states a Jewish National Home in Palestine without
limiting or restricting the Jewish territory in Palestine . It also
states that the British should work with the Jewish Agency as the official
representative of the Jews in Palestine to
implement the National Home of the Jewish people in Palestine . I stress
again; nowhere does it state that an Arab entity should be implemented west of
the Jordan River .
As a matter of historical record, The British reallocated illegally over 77% of Jewish Palestine to the Arab-Palestinians in 1922 with specific borders andJordan took over additional territory like the Gulf of Aqaba which was not
part of the allocation to Jordan . The British also illegally and in violation of treaty, traded
the Jewish Golan Heights to the French for the right to Iraq and its oil..
The United Nations resolutions are non binding with no legal standing it does not create an Arab Palestinian state and it has no authority to change the April 1920 San Remo treaty or modify the terms of the Mandate for Palestine which has the force of international law in perpetuity.
If you read the 1917 Balfour Declaration (Which emulated Napoleons 1799 letter to the Jewish community in
The San Remo Conference of April 1920 which incorporated The Balfour Declaration into International Law with no boundary restrictions it does not state an Arab entity west of The Jordan River, confirmed by Article 95 in the 1920 Treaty of Sevres which was signed by all the Allied Powers and the Treaty of Lausanne.
The Mandate for
As a matter of historical record, The British reallocated illegally over 77% of Jewish Palestine to the Arab-Palestinians in 1922 with specific borders and
The United Nations resolutions are non binding with no legal standing it does not create an Arab Palestinian state and it has no authority to change the April 1920 San Remo treaty or modify the terms of the Mandate for Palestine which has the force of international law in perpetuity.
No where in any of the above stated
agreements does it provides for an Arab entity west of the Jordan River . The U.N. and
General Assembly resolutions are non-binding with no legal standing, same
applies to the ICJ. The Oslo Accords are null and void as state by Mahmmoud
Abbas at the U.N.
It is time to relocate the Arabs in Israel to Jordan and to the homes and the over 120,000 sq. km. of Jewish land
the Arab countries confiscated from the over a million Jewish families that
they terrorized and expelled and those expelled Jews were resettled in Israel . They can use the trillions of dollars in reparations for the
Jewish assets to finance the relocation of the Arabs and help set-up an economy
and industry instead of living on the world charity. The Arab countries were
allocated over 13 million sq. km. (6 million sq. miles) with a wealth of oil
reserves.
YJ Draiman
YJ Draiman
P.S. Possession is nine tenths of the
law – Israel has it.
Political Rights inPalestine aka The Land of Israel were granted only and exclusively to the
Jews in all of Palestine and the right to settle in all of Palestine with no
boundary exclusions.
Political Rights in
The Jewish people’s war of survival
was not won when Hitler lost. It continues to this day, against enemies with
more effective tools of mass murder at their disposal.
Plus we are easy to find now.
Plus we are easy to find now.
"His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment
in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best
endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly
understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and
religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights
and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country". This was
adopted by a dozen Major countries: U.S. , France , China , Russia , Italy , Spain , Japan and the Vatican to name some.
The rights that the Jews wanted saved in Article 80 are those
that were listed in a memorandum of April, 1945 to the Committee drafting the
proposed UN Charter. This was a Memorandum from the Jewish Agency (referred to
in the Palestine Mandate) and signed by Chaim Weizmann. He refers specifically
to the rights the US listed in a US proposal in a report of January 21, 1919 delivered to the US President and plenipotentiaries at
the Paris Peace Talks. Here is an excerpt from it:
That this was also the understanding of the American Delegation
at the Peace Conference appears from the Outline of Tentative Report and
Recommendations prepared by the Intelligence Section of that Delegation, in
accordance with instructions, for the President and Plenipotentiaries at the
Peace Conference, dated January 21, 1919 ,which recommended:
"1. That there be established a separate state of Palestine .
"2. That this state be placed under Great Britain as a
Mandatory of theLeague of Nations .
Mandatory of the
"3. That the Jews be invited to return to Palestine and
settle there, being assured by the Conference of all proper assistance in so doing that may be consistent with the protection of the personal (especially the religious) and property rights of the non-Jewish population,AND BEING FURTHER ASSURED THAT IT WILL
BE THE POLICY OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS TO RECOGNIZE PALESTINE AS A JEWISH STATE
AS SOON AS IT IS A JEWISH STATE IN FACT . [emphasis added]. See also, Article
7 of 1933 Montevideo Convention on tacit recognition of statehood. Palestine was tacitly recognized by US
Presidents Harding and Coolidge in 1922 and 1924 respectively.
settle there, being assured by the Conference of all proper assistance in so doing that may be consistent with the protection of the personal (especially the religious) and property rights of the non-Jewish population,
This was a phased plan for reconstituting the Jewish Nation. The
first phase was promoting Jewish immigration into Palestine , and the second phase was
recognition of their national rights to set up a government and administer it
if and when they attained a population majority and had the capability to meet
the obligations for the exercise of sovereignty.
The US , the UK and the Zionist Organization all
believed it would be a mistake to provide for immediate sovereignty. See, in
addition to the foregoing memo, a British Foreign Office memo of December 19, 1917 explaining the Balfour Declaration
and a short book written by Harry Sacher explaining the provisions of the
Balfour Declaration that had been published in November, 1917. "A Jewish Palestine : the Jewish case for a British
trusteeship.
In line with this President Wilson on March 3, 1919 declared: "I am persuaded that
the Allied Nations with the fullest concurrence of our own Government and
people are agreed that in Palestine shall be laid the foundations of a
Jewish Commonwealth."
MEMORANDUM SUBMITTED TO THE UNITED NATIONS CONFERENCE ON INTERNATIONAL
ORGANIZATION , SAN FRANCISCO , CALIFORNIA , BY THE JEWISH AGENCY FOR PALESTINE APRIL, 1945. You can find it on-line
at:
http://www.bjpa.org/Publica...
http://www.bjpa.org/Publica...
The West fears Islamic aggression (which has been going on since
WW1), and is opting for appeasement. Propaganda is being used to try to
convince people that Muslims in Israel , and in the Gaza Strip, West Bank,
and Golan Heights , are being mistreated. Islamist
forces have conducted maneuvers at the borders of Israel , and have continuously lobbed
missiles into Israel . Islam constantly threatens Israel , often using language that proclaims
a desire for the complete destruction of Israel . The Arab-Palestinians have spoken
to the world, proclaiming parts of Israel to belong to them.
Peace in the Middle East is desired at any cost by the
Western Appeasers. The unrest is being blamed on Israel . Islam promises that the
Arab-Palestinian claims are the last they will make in Israel . If land is traded for peace, they
say, then the unrest in the Middle East will ease, which is a delusion and
not reality.
The Western Leaders, fearful that if the Muslims are not
appeased the world could plunge into terrorism (which it has already and
increasing daily), have decided they need to negotiate with the
Arab-Palestinians, grant them the Statehood they suddenly desire, and grant
them their demands for the purpose of a delusional peace.
As The West prepares for appeasement, the forces of jihadism are
on the rise in Egypt , Syria , Libya , Turkey and Iran and extends to Pakistan , Afghanistan and former Russian states. Egypt 's peace with Israel has been guaranteed by U.S. involvement, and land for peace. The
treaty with Egypt was based on the proposition of the
Sinai in 1982 for peace. The Islamists moving into position to gain power in Egypt places the treaty at risk. They have
no intention of abiding by its provisions.
The concept of land for peace has failed, as it failed prior to
WW2. Islamism does not care about land. Islamism only cares about the destruction
of Israel , the destruction of non-Islamic
societies, and ultimately the worldwide domination of Islam through a Muslim
caliphate.
With the current presidential administration in the United States , and the liberal socialists in
control of the U.N. and Europe , Israel stands alone. No one plans to stand
up for Israel 's right to exist, as history has
proven, the Jewish people have ultimately been abandoned by the world nations.
The Muslim Brotherhood and Salafist parties are working to take an absolute
majority in Egypt and other Muslim countries, but The
West has fallen for the propaganda that claims these parties are moderate and
pragmatic. ISIS has proven that this approach is
wrong and detrimental to peaceful coexistence.
The fact is, the rising Islamist control over the Muslim nations
has no intention of respecting treaties, or Israel 's right to exist. They are waiting
for conflict, and then will blame it on Israel . Talks are doomed to failure. The
Islamists want it that way or the highway.
Land for Peace fails. Liberalism fails. Only a strong and direct
military posture with no-holds-barred that stands up against the rising threat
will succeed. . . but the appeasers refuse to learn from history, and like
Neville Chamberlain with Germany, Barack Obama and his fellow appeasers are
positioning the world for a new world conflict that could turn the world to
ashes.
A viable solution for the conflict is: Two States - Greater
Israel for the Jewish people as guaranteed by International law and treaties
after WW1 and Jordan that was originally part of the territory allocated to the
Jewish people under 1920 international treaties, thus Jordan has 75% of its
people are Arab-Palestinians and the 120,000 sq. km. or 72,000 sq. mi. (6 times
the size of Israel) the Arab countries confiscated from the million plus Jewish
families they persecuted and expelled from Arab countries and confiscated all
their assets, businesses, homes and Real estate property valued in the
trillions of dollars. That should settle the refugee problem once and for all.
But the Arabs will not be satisfied until they get all of Israel without the Jews and they do not
hide their intention.
YJ Draiman.
Wow! This thread
is filled with more genuine geniuses than MIT, Technion and Oxford -- put together! And not one of you
pointed out that the UN and the Obama dictatorship are serial law breakers! So
put away your legal documents and historical narratives and simply be prepared
for another war because that ignominious organization called the United Nations
and the Islamist president of the United States are colluding as we type in a
villainous attempt to eradicate Israel whether it's legal or not.
I believe your key statement '... .It
should be common knowledge that under the Mandate, all of Palestine was reserved exclusively for the
establishment of the Jewish National Home..' to be not only false, but
dangerously false. ------ Even if we leave aside the very questionable from
legal stand point assertion that the San Remo declaration takes precedence over
the later UN resolution 181, ... the San Remo declaration does not says what you
claim it says. Specifically, it repeats the sentence from Balfour declaration
about establishing the Jewish national home IN Palestine, not making the whole
Palestine a Jewish state.----------------------------------- Later it was
clarified: '...Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the
purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used
such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's
Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in
view. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration
referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into
a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded "in Palestine ." In this connection it has
been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the
supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in
September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement
of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the
Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to
make the common home into a flourishing community, the up-building of which may
assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national
development"'...------ I am sure you recognize this document.
The U.N. is a useless organization and counter-productive – Issues Non-binding resolutions with no legal standing that includes the ICJ advisory only.
The U.N. cannot create State or modify borders, they have no such authority.
In a Democratic legal system if you have decision that you think is erroneous or unjust you can appeal that decision and many times it is reversed.
U.N. opinions and or resolutions are (non-binding) biased, unjust, arbitrary and capricious (the same apply to the ICJ – International Court of Justice).
The U.N. has issued numerous opinions and non-binding resolutions that are biased, unsubstantiated and contrary to historical and factual evidence. This U.N. collusion with corrupt and biased countries and the issuance of non-binding egregious opinions and resolution has eroded the credibility of the U.N. beyond repair.
This has raised the ire and an outcry by many nations, politicians and institutions to de-fund the U.N. and dismantle it.
YJ Draiman
77% of Mandatory Palestine was given to create the Arab Kingdom
of Jordan, leaving 23% on the West Bank for the Jewish national home. I believe
Churchill took this decision to divide Palestine because there could not be a Jewish
majority state otherwise. See Sir Martin Gilbert, 'Churchill and The Jews'
(Simon and Schuster 2007, pages 50 and 292.)
I rather doubt that the reason for truncating the Jewish
National Home, at this juncture, had much to do with concern for a Jewish
majority --- as Eastern [viz., transJordanian] Palestine was, apart from its
migratory Bedouin, sparsely populated (by anybody). The reason more likely had
to do with the fact that Churchill was in a tight spot at the time
Here's the gist of it:
Having defeated Faisal's forces at the Battle of Maysalun, the
recent French grantee of the Syria Mandate had deposed Faisal --- who'd hastily
been made "King of Syria" by its 2nd Parliament --- and had thrown
him out of the country, virtually at gunpoint. As a booby prize, the Brits gave
him the throne of Iraq .
However, Iraq had been promised to Faisal's elder
brother, Abdullah, and that little bit of footwork by the French & the
Brits now left Abdullah odd-man-out. Whereupon Abdullah resolved, in his
inimitably direct way, to rectify the situation. . . . As Colonial Secretary,
Churchill greatly --- and most understandably --- feared the geopolitical
consequences of Abdullah's intentions.
Churchill had taken special care to discourage Prince Abdullah: bent, at the time (on the face
of it anyway), on avenging his brother’s ouster from Syria (and of course
restoring the sullied family ‘honor’, etc, etc) — from continuing a
contemplated & absurdly quixotic march on Damascus.
Abdullah had begun the campaign from Mecca at the end of September 1920, with a
camel caravan manned by some 200 Bedouin raiders and thirty of Abdullah's
Hijazi officers with their six Maxim guns.
At the Medina depot they commandeered a train
northbound for Ma’an on the Hijaz
Railway and announced an impending “tour of inspection.” Upon arrival in late November, the Prince parked himself and his ‘army’ there for three months, while attempting to rally support among the tribes for the recovery ofSyria from the French.
Railway and announced an impending “tour of inspection.” Upon arrival in late November, the Prince parked himself and his ‘army’ there for three months, while attempting to rally support among the tribes for the recovery of
By the time he resumed his journey north — arriving in Amman in March 1921, and
augmented now by some 1500 Turkish ex-soldiers and Hijazi tribesmen —HMG had had time to brood about the
expedition’s implications and to mull over Britain ’s
options. It was, apparently, clear to Churchill that Abdullah’s energies & intentions would have to be redirected — for fear of the Emir’s effectively handing the French a pretext for sending in Les Poilus to seize Eastern Palestine, to safeguard what the latter quite naturally viewed as their Syrian interests, and perhaps take Western Palestine as well.
augmented now by some 1500 Turkish ex-soldiers and Hijazi tribesmen —
options. It was, apparently, clear to Churchill that Abdullah’s energies & intentions would have to be redirected — for fear of the Emir’s effectively handing the French a pretext for sending in Les Poilus to seize Eastern Palestine, to safeguard what the latter quite naturally viewed as their Syrian interests, and perhaps take Western Palestine as well.
From the first, obligatory, annual Interim Report of Mandate Palestine’s
first-ever Lord High Commissioner:
“…in the month of November [1920], His Highness, the Emir
Abdullah, the second son of [Sharif] Hussein, arrived from the Hijaz at Ma’an,
to the south of Trans- Jordania. His purpose was declared to be to restore a
Sharifian government in Damascus . His arrival caused much disturbance
in the minds of the people of Trans-Jordania and further impaired the
authority, already slight, of the local authorities. From Ma’an the Emir
proceeded on March 2nd to Amman , a town on the Hijaz Railway to the
east of Salt, and there established his headquarters.
“The Secretary of State for the Colonies [Churchill] being in Palestine in the month of March, a Conference
was held with the Emir, who came to Jerusalem for the purpose. An arrangement was
reached…”
[Annual Interim Report of the Mandatory on the Civil
Administration of Palestine During the Period, 1 July 1920 – 30 June 1921, as
Presented to the Council of the League of Nations, by Sir Herbert Samuel, High
Commissioner and Commander-in-Chief, on 30 July 1921]
Once in possession of Eastern Palestine , the French would have then been
poised, should they be so tempted, to make a move on the oilfields of
neighboring Kirkuk & Mosul (or, from Western Palestine , even on the Suez Canal ).
Now, thus, in the interests of keeping the French out of the
picture, as well as of
allaying any perceived popular home dissatisfaction with the burdens of retaining the Palestine Mandate (and in order to deflect the political manipulation of that apparent restiveness by the Cabinet’s parliamentary opponents), it was evident that a Transjordania separated from the rest of Palestine was clearly the easiest of maneuvers for the British Colonial Office (in cooperation with the Foreign Office), howsoever brazen the gambit, and notwithstanding the acknowledged economic interconnectedness of the two territories.
allaying any perceived popular home dissatisfaction with the burdens of retaining the Palestine Mandate (and in order to deflect the political manipulation of that apparent restiveness by the Cabinet’s parliamentary opponents), it was evident that a Transjordania separated from the rest of Palestine was clearly the easiest of maneuvers for the British Colonial Office (in cooperation with the Foreign Office), howsoever brazen the gambit, and notwithstanding the acknowledged economic interconnectedness of the two territories.
Churchill, though long & earnestly cordial to Zionist aims,
and recently made Sec State for Colonial Affairs — the Colonial Office having
been, at that juncture, recently assigned responsibility for the civilian
Mandate Administration after that summer’s transfer of authority from OETA,
which had been answerable to the Foreign Office (headed by the
non-Zionist-congenial, Lord Curzon) — seems to have been given to understand
(wrongly) by the empire-building, old hands in the Colonial Office’s
freshly-minted “Middle East Department”: particularly its Jew-loathing director, Sir John Evelyn Shuckburgh, as well as, of course, the not-altogether anti-Zionist but irrepressibly self-promoting & fanciful Col. Lawrence [of Arabia], and other careerist, imperial functionaries from the colonies — thatHMG not only were greatly ‘indebted’ to
the Arabs but had, moreover, actually ‘promised’ transJordanian Palestine to
the Hashemites during the War.
freshly-minted “Middle East Department”: particularly its Jew-loathing director, Sir John Evelyn Shuckburgh, as well as, of course, the not-altogether anti-Zionist but irrepressibly self-promoting & fanciful Col. Lawrence [of Arabia], and other careerist, imperial functionaries from the colonies — that
It was by no means so — on either count. With his typical (and
most enviable) succinctness, Prof Michael Cohen of UC Berkeley comes right to
the point: “Whereas the British undoubtedly
incurred some moral commitments to the cause of Arab independence in 1915, the
Husayn-McMahon correspondence can in no sense be regarded as an agreement legally
binding on either side.”
[Michael J. Cohen, Origins and Evolution of the
Arab-Zionist Conflict (Univ of Calif. Press, Berkeley, 1987), p. 24]
But Churchill was new in the job and Shuckburgh’s bureaucrats,
well-seasoned & firmly-entrenched: particularly aided, as these
avowed colonialists and unblushing, down-the-line, imperialists were, by a
newfound righteousness characterized by straight-faced moralizing about the
inherent ‘unfairness’ of imposing ‘alien’ Jews on the local Arabs — instead,
presumably, of imposing an alien Abdullah on them — to say nothing of
sanctimonious bloviating and prissy, priggish preachifying about keeping HMG ’s ‘promises’ — by trashing the
solemnly articulated and duly ratified pledges of the San Remo Resolution and the Balfour Declaration, and now, even before its formal
ratification & implementation, those of the Mandate as well.
UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, the decision to amputate was expedient
and altogether “safe,” as it were, since the Jews (as the party with the
greatest direct
interest in opposing the surgery) were powerless to prevent it, or believed they were (which, in context, amounted to much the same thing):
interest in opposing the surgery) were powerless to prevent it, or believed they were (which, in context, amounted to much the same thing):
--- "The Zionist leaders were stunned by the threatened
lopping off of three quarters of the area of the projected Jewish National
Home; its establishment had, after all, been Britain’s warrant for being granted the Mandate. But the British
government countered with the proposal that, if the Zionists did not accept the
situation, Britain would decline the Mandate altogether
and thus withdraw her protection from the Jewish restoration.
--- "[Now, however, t]he Zionist leaders—struggling with
the material problem of building a country out of a desert and restoring a
people, largely impoverished, from the four corners of the world — were
moreover inadequately equipped with political experience to judge the emptiness
of the British threat. They did not feel strong enough to resist this blow to
the integrity and security of the state-in-building and to
their faith in the sanctity of compacts."
their faith in the sanctity of compacts."
[Battleground: Fact and Fantasy in Palestine (Bantam, NY, 1973; 3d Edition,
Steimatzky, NY, 1985), p. 57]
There's somewhat more to be said, but this post is already
overlong, and I've given you the action. The rest is all dénouement. The
gouging out of transJordanian Palestine from the Jewish National Home was
essentially (IMABHO) Churchill's way of extricating himself and the govt he
served from a difficult situation.
"I believe Churchill took this decision to divide Palestine because there could not be a
Jewish majority state otherwise."
That would seem unlikely to be the reason, as Transjordanian
Palestine, apart from migratory Bedouin, was sparsely populated (by anybody).
More likely, the reason had to do with the fact that Churchill
was in a tight spot at the time. After defeating Faisal's forces at the battle
of Maysalun, the French Mandatory had thrown Faisal --- recently made
"king" of Syria by its 2nd Congress --- out of the
country, virtually at gunpoint. As a booby prize, the Brits gave him the throne
of Iraq .
However, Iraq had been promised to his elder
brother Abdullah, who now found himself odd-man-out. Abdullah resolved to
recover Syria (to say nothing of the sullied
family honor, etc) from the French. Abdullah had begun the campaign from Mecca at the end of September 1920, with a
camel caravan manned by 30 officers, a couple hundred Bedouin raiders, and six
Maxim guns.
At the Medina depot, he commandeered a train
northbound for Ma’an and announced an impending “tour of inspection.” Upon
arrival in Ma'an, the Prince parked himself and his ‘army’ there for three
months, while attempting to rally support among the tribes for the recovery of Syria from the French.
By the time Abdullah resumed his journey north — arriving in
Amman in March 1921, and augmented now by some 1500 Turkish ex-soldiers &
Hijazi tribesmen — HMG had had time to brood over the
expedition’s implications and mull over Britain’s options. It was, apparently,
clear to Churchill that Abdullah’s energies & intentions would have to be
redirected --- for fear of the Emir’s effectively handing the French a pretext
for sending in les poilus to seize Eastern [viz.,
transjordanian] Palestine, to safeguard what the latter quite naturally viewed
as their Syrian interests, and perhaps take Western Palestine as well.
From the first, obligatory, annual Interim Report of Mandate
Palestine’s first-ever Lord High Commissioner:
“…in the month of November [1920], His Highness, the Emir
Abdullah, the second son of [Sharif] Hussein, arrived from the Hijaz at Ma’an,
to the south of Trans-Jordania. His purpose was declared to be to restore a
Sharifian government in Damascus . His arrival caused much disturbance
in the minds of the people of Trans-Jordania and further impaired the
authority, already slight, of the local authorities.
"From Ma’an the Emir proceeded on March 2nd to Amman , a town on the Hijaz Railway to the
east of Salt, and there established his headquarters. The Secretary of State
for the Colonies [Churchill] being in Palestine in the month of March, a Conference
was held with the Emir, who came to Jerusalem for the purpose. An arrangement was
reached…”
[Annual Interim Report of the Mandatory on the Civil
Administration of Palestine During the Period, 1 July 1920 – 30 June 1921, as
Presented to the Council of the League of Nations, by Sir Herbert Samuel, High
Commissioner and Commander-in-Chief, on 30 July 1921]
Once in possession of Eastern Palestine , the French would have then been
poised, should they be so tempted, to make a move on the oilfields of
neighboring Kirkuk &
Mosul (or, from Western Palestine , on the Suez Canal ).
Now, thus, in the interests of keeping the French out of the
picture, as well as of
allaying any perceived popular home dissatisfaction with the burdens of retaining the Palestine Mandate (and in order to deflect the political manipulation of that apparent restiveness by the Cabinet’s parliamentary opponents), it was evident that a Transjordania separated from the rest of Palestine was clearly the easiest of
maneuvers for the British Colonial Office (in cooperation with the Foreign Office), howsoever brazen the gambit, and notwithstanding the acknowledged economic interconnectedness of the two territories.
allaying any perceived popular home dissatisfaction with the burdens of retaining the Palestine Mandate (and in order to deflect the political manipulation of that apparent restiveness by the Cabinet’s parliamentary opponents), it was evident that a Transjordania separated from the rest of Palestine was clearly the easiest of
maneuvers for the British Colonial Office (in cooperation with the Foreign Office), howsoever brazen the gambit, and notwithstanding the acknowledged economic interconnectedness of the two territories.
Churchill, though long & earnestly cordial to Zionist aims,
and recently made Secretary of State for Colonial Affairs — the Colonial Office
having been, at that
juncture, recently assigned responsibility for the civilian Mandate Administration after that summer’s transfer of authority from OETA, which had been answerable to the Foreign Office (headed by the less Zionist-congenial, Lord Curzon) — seems to have been given to understand (wrongly) by the empire-building, old hands in the Colonial Office’s freshly-minted “Middle East Department”: particularly its Jew-loathing director, Sir John Evelyn Shuckburgh, as well as, of course, the not-altogether anti-Zionist but irrepressibly self-promoting & fanciful Col. Lawrence [of Arabia], and other careerist, imperial functionaries from the colonies — thatHMG not only were greatly ‘indebted’ to
the Arabs but had, moreover, actually ‘promised’ transJordanian Palestine to
the Hashemites during the War.
juncture, recently assigned responsibility for the civilian Mandate Administration after that summer’s transfer of authority from OETA, which had been answerable to the Foreign Office (headed by the less Zionist-congenial, Lord Curzon) — seems to have been given to understand (wrongly) by the empire-building, old hands in the Colonial Office’s freshly-minted “Middle East Department”: particularly its Jew-loathing director, Sir John Evelyn Shuckburgh, as well as, of course, the not-altogether anti-Zionist but irrepressibly self-promoting & fanciful Col. Lawrence [of Arabia], and other careerist, imperial functionaries from the colonies — that
However, it was by no means so — on either count. With his
typical (and most enviable) succinctness, Prof Michael Cohen of UC Berkeley
comes right to the point:“Whereas the British undoubtedly incurred some moral commitments
to the cause of Arab independence in 1915, the Husayn-McMahon correspondence
can in no sense be regarded as an agreement legally binding on either side.”
[Michael J. Cohen., Origins and Evolution of the
Arab-Zionist Conflict (Univ of Calif. Press, Berkeley, 1987), p, 24] ]
But Churchill was new in the job and Shuckburgh’s bureaucrats,
well-seasoned and
firmly-entrenched: particularly aided, as these avowed colonialists and unblushing, down-the-line, imperialists were, by a newfound righteousness characterized by straightfaced moralizing about the inherent ‘unfairness’ of imposing ‘alien’ Jews on the local Arabs — instead, presumably, of imposing an alien Abdullah on them — to say nothing of sanctimonious bloviating and prissy, priggish preachifying about keepingHMG ’s ‘promises’ — by trashing the
solemnly articulated and duly ratified pledges of the San Remo Resolution and
the Balfour Declaration, and now, even before its formal ratification &
implementation, those of the Mandate as well.
firmly-entrenched: particularly aided, as these avowed colonialists and unblushing, down-the-line, imperialists were, by a newfound righteousness characterized by straightfaced moralizing about the inherent ‘unfairness’ of imposing ‘alien’ Jews on the local Arabs — instead, presumably, of imposing an alien Abdullah on them — to say nothing of sanctimonious bloviating and prissy, priggish preachifying about keeping
UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, the decision to amputate was expedient
and altogether “safe,” as it were, since the Jews (as the party with the
greatest direct
interest in opposing the surgery) were powerless to prevent it, or believed they were (which, in context, amounted to much the same thing):
interest in opposing the surgery) were powerless to prevent it, or believed they were (which, in context, amounted to much the same thing):
--- "The Zionist leaders were stunned by the threatened
lopping off of three-quarters of the area of the projected Jewish National
Home; its establishment had, after all, been Britain’s warrant for being granted the Mandate. But the British
government countered with the proposal that, if the Zionists did not accept the
situation, Britain would decline the Mandate altogether
and thus withdraw her protection from the Jewish restoration.
--- "[Now, however, t]he Zionist leaders — struggling with
the material problem of building a country out of a desert and restoring a
people, largely impoverished, from the four corners of the world — were
moreover inadequately equipped with political experience to judge the emptiness
of the British threat. They did not feel strong enough to resist this blow to
the integrity and security of the state-in-building and to their faith in the
sanctity of compacts."
--- [Shmuel Katz, Battleground: Fact and Fantasy
in Palestine (Bantam, NY, 1973; 3d Edition, Steimatzky, NY, 1985), op
cit., p. 57]
There's more to be said, but this post is already overlong, and
I've given you the rising action --- the rest is strictly dénouement. In sum,
the amputation of transJordanian Palestine from the Jewish National Home was
Churchill's way of extricating himself from a tight spot (IMABHO).
Joseph Feld - correct ! When the state of Israel was proclaimed, it was within the
Lines of The U.N. Partition Plan of 1947 because the Jews were a majority there
(census) and because the Jews did not want to rule a majority of Arabs.
The United Nations had nothing to do with this decision; United
Nations did NOT establish the State of Israel.
The U.N. does NOT possess the Power neither to establish or
abolish states !
"Later it was clarified"
More HIJACKED than 'clarified.' You are quoting from the 1922
Churchill White Paper, which represented HMG 's position in attempting to deal
with an understandably difficult situation with which it was confronted after
it had been awarded the Palestine Mandate.
It did not represent, however, international law. THAT was
created by the Principal Allied Powers when it generated the Mandate (and the
San Remo Resolution that ordered the Mandate), and to which Powers --- in the
person of the League of Nations Permanent Mandates Commission --- HMG were responsible and accountable.
Michael Rorer -
The International Court of Justice onJune 21, 1971 - stated in an Advisory Opinion:
The International Court of Justice on
ADVISORY OPINION:
History of the Mandate
(paras. 42-86 of the Advisory Opinion)
Refuting the contentions of the South African Government and
citing its own pronouncements in previous proceedings concerning South West Africa (Advisory Opinions of 1950, 1955 and
1956; Judgment of 1962), the Court recapitulates the history of the Mandate.
The mandates system established by Article 22 of the Covenant of
the League of Nations was based upon two principles of
paramount importance: the principle of non-annexation and the principle that
the well-being and development of the peoples concerned formed a sacred trust
of civilization. Taking the developments of the past half century into account,
there can be little doubt that the ultimate objective of the sacred trust was
self-determination and independence. The mandatory was to observe a number of
obligations, and the Council of the League was to see that they were fulfilled.
The rights of the mandatory as such had their foundation in those obligations.
When the League of Nations was dissolved, the raison d'etre and
original object of these obligations remained. Since their fulfillment did not
depend on the existence of the League, they could not be brought to an end
merely because the supervisory organ had ceased to exist. The Members of the
League had not declared, or accepted even by implication, that the mandates
would be cancelled or lapse with the dissolution of the League.
The last resolution of the League Assembly and Article 80,
paragraph 1, of the United Nations Charter maintained the obligations of
mandatories. The International Court of Justice has consistently recognized
that the Mandate survived the demise of the League, and South Africa also admitted as much for a number
of years. Thus the supervisory element, which is an essential part of the
Mandate, was bound to survive. The United Nations suggested a system of
supervision which would not exceed that which applied under the mandates system,
but this proposal was rejected by South Africa .
Resolutions by the General Assembly and the Security Council
- - - - - -
EGO: RAISON D'ETRE translated to: REASON TO BE !
/ tmk.
The San Remo Conference of 1920, which incorporated the Balfour
Declaration as international treaty and law; reconstituted the Jewish National
Home in Palestine as international law; thus, they assigned its implementation
to the League of Nation with the Mandate for Palestine and the British as
trustee to promote Jewish immigration, development of the land and bring about
the sovereign Jewish State in all of Palestine. These terms was confirmed by
the 1920 Treaty of Sevres which terms were incorporated to the Mandate of
Palestine.
The Jewish National Home in all ofPalestine was reconstituted to take affect in
1920; with a provision that sovereignty will be reached when they become
majority.
Faisal Weizmann Agreement signedJanuary 3, 1919 , stated that The Jewish National
Home will be in what is known as Palestine .
The Inquiry academics accompanied President Wilson toParis in 1919. For Palestine , they recommended that the dispersed
Jewish People settle there and later, rule in Palestine . Initial rule was to be carried out
by a trustee for the Jewish People (Great Britain under the Mandate for Palestine ).
American Proposal for Jewish Homeland, January 21, 1919
An excerpt from the Tentative Report and Recommendations of the Intelligence Section of the American Delegation to the Peace Conference, in accordance with instructions, for the President and the Plenipotentiaries, January 21, 1919*
26.Palestine
It is recommended:
1) That there be established a separate state ofPalestine .
2) That this state be placed underGreat Britain as a mandatory of the League of Nations .
3) That the Jews be invited to return to Palestine and settle there being assured by the Conference of all proper assistance in so doing that may be consistent with the protection of the personal (especially the religious) and the property rights of the non-Jewish population, and being further assured that it will be the policy of the League of Nations to recognize Palestine as a Jewish state as soon as it is a Jewish state in fact.
4) That the holy places and religious rights of all creeds inPalestine are placed under the protection of
the League of Nations and it’s mandatory.
For discussion:
1) It is recommended that there be established a separate state ofPalestine .
The separation of the Palestinian area fromSyria finds justification in the religious
experience of mankind. The Jewish and Christian churches were born in Palestine , and Jerusalem was for long years, at different
periods, the capital of each. And while the relation of the Mohammedans to Palestine is not so intimate, from the
beginning they have regarded Jerusalem as a holy place. Only by
establishing Palestine as a separate state can justice be
done to these great facts.
As drawn upon the map, the new state would control its own source of water power and irrigation, onMount Hermon in the east to the Jordan ; a feature of great importance since
the success of the new state would depend upon the possibilities of
agricultural development.
2) It is recommended that this state be placed underGreat Britain as a mandatory of the League of Nations .
Palestine would obviously need wise and firm
guidance. Its population is without political experience, is racially
composite, and could easily become distracted by fanaticism and bitter
religious differences.
The success ofGreat Britain in dealing with similar situations,
her relation to Egypt , and her administrative achievements
since General Allenby freed Palestine from the Turk; all indicate her as
the logical mandatory.
3) It is recommended that the Jews be invited to return to Palestine and settle there, being assured by the Conference of all proper assistance in so doing that may be consistent with the protection of the personal (especially the religious) and the property rights of the non-Jewish population, and being further assured that it will be the policy of the League of Nations to recognize Palestine as a Jewish state as soon as it is a Jewish state in fact.
It is right thatPalestine should become a Jewish state, if the
Jews, being given the full opportunity, make it such. It was the cradle and
home of their vital race, which has made large spiritual contributions to
mankind, and is the only land in which they can hope to find a home of their
own; they being in this last respect unique among significant peoples.
At present, however, the Jews form barely a tenth of the total population of 550,000 inPalestine , and whether they are to form a
majority, or even a plurality, of the population in the future state remains
uncertain. Palestine , in short, is far from being a
Jewish country now. England , as mandatory, can be relied on to
give the Jews the privileged position they should have without sacrificing the
rights of non-Jews.
4) It is recommended that the holy places and religious rights of all creeds inPalestine be placed under the protection of
the League of Nations and it’s mandatory.
The basis for this recommendation is self-evident.
The Jewish National Home in all of
Faisal Weizmann Agreement signed
The Inquiry academics accompanied President Wilson to
American Proposal for Jewish Homeland, January 21, 1919
An excerpt from the Tentative Report and Recommendations of the Intelligence Section of the American Delegation to the Peace Conference, in accordance with instructions, for the President and the Plenipotentiaries, January 21, 1919*
26.
It is recommended:
1) That there be established a separate state of
2) That this state be placed under
3) That the Jews be invited to return to Palestine and settle there being assured by the Conference of all proper assistance in so doing that may be consistent with the protection of the personal (especially the religious) and the property rights of the non-Jewish population, and being further assured that it will be the policy of the League of Nations to recognize Palestine as a Jewish state as soon as it is a Jewish state in fact.
4) That the holy places and religious rights of all creeds in
For discussion:
1) It is recommended that there be established a separate state of
The separation of the Palestinian area from
As drawn upon the map, the new state would control its own source of water power and irrigation, on
2) It is recommended that this state be placed under
The success of
3) It is recommended that the Jews be invited to return to Palestine and settle there, being assured by the Conference of all proper assistance in so doing that may be consistent with the protection of the personal (especially the religious) and the property rights of the non-Jewish population, and being further assured that it will be the policy of the League of Nations to recognize Palestine as a Jewish state as soon as it is a Jewish state in fact.
It is right that
At present, however, the Jews form barely a tenth of the total population of 550,000 in
4) It is recommended that the holy places and religious rights of all creeds in
The basis for this recommendation is self-evident.
"These terms was confirmed by the 1920 Treaty of Sevres
which terms were incorporated to the Mandate of Palestine."
Balfour was incorporated in the treaty ... not your wishful
interpretation of it.
The main problem here is that the
officials at the UN are so ignorant they can't even read and understand the UN
Charter.
They know only too well, they have highly paid advisers, but
they don't care. International law has no benefit to Israel . The British white paper of 1939
proved that Britain cared nothing for international law,
even a sacred trust!
The Palestine Mandate did not expire in May, 1947. It was a
trust. A trust does not expire when the trustee resigns. A trust lives on until
the trust res vests in the cestui sue trust or beneficiary.SSRN.com/abstract=2385304 Palestine Mandate in a Nutshell http://www.israelnationalne...
Greater Israel belongs to the Jewish people under
International Law!
The Jewish People's historical right to theland of Greater Israel had been recognized by the
international community and upheld by the rule of public international
law.
Any view that contradicts this statement is pure distortion of the facts and history.
Israel is not obliged to support the
creation of an Arab state west of the Jordan river alongside Israel and it must not concede to any such
arrangement or the security and survival of Israel will be compromised.
The Oslo Agreements were made with a view to enhance "a just, lasting and comprehensive peace." Yet, since their coming into effect theMiddle East has witnessed not peace but
violence of the worst kind in recent history. As of today the Oslo agreement is null and void. The
Arab Palestinians have not lived up to any of the agreement. The Arab Palestinians
promote, preach and teach their children and the masses to create terror,
violence and suicide bombing. Their only goal is the destruction of the Jewish
State, read the Palestinian and Hamas Charter.
The establishment of the Palestinian Authority should serve as a "guide to the bewildered" of the grave risks posed by such anArab State , which may eventually lead to the
destruction of the Jewish State. Any land for peace compromise by Israel has made the situation worse. Sadly,
appeasement and concessions by Israel only aggravated the situation and
increased violence. Israel must stand its ground, resist unjust
world pressure and protect its citizens at all costs. Any concessions by Israel will only make the situation worse
and bring about more violence and death, as the past experience has proven.
Under public international law,Israel is entitled to diligently encourage
and promote close Jewish settlement of the land of Israel , thereby realizing the principles
set out by the San Remo Treaty of 1920 and the League of Nations in the original Mandate document. In
1922 in violation of the treaty, the British gave away 80% of the land
allocated to the Jewish people and gave it to the Arabs to set-up a state that
never existed in history. (The British wanted to protect their oil interests).
In addition at that time, the Allied powers also set up 21Arab States and one Jewish State. If you
questions Israel 's borders, you must question the 21
Arab States borders and Jordan .
It is also important to address the expulsion of over a million Jewish people from the Arab countries and the confiscation of land owned by Jewish people in the Arab countries, totaling 120,000 sq. km. (4 times the size of Israel) valued at over 15 trillion dollars and other personal assets confiscated by the Arabs totaling over 990 billion dollars.
The Jewish people resettled the million Jewish refugees from the Arab countries. It is about time the Arab countries who expelled the million Jewish people, must settle the Arab-Palestinian refugees once and for all without compromisingIsrael and bring about peace and
tranquility to the region.
Neither the U.N. nor any Country in the world has the authority to create a state or dissolve a state, (check the U.N. charter and international law.)
A true peace will bring about an economic boom to the region of which the world has never seen before. It will raise the standard of living for all the people in theMiddle East and accelerate peace and harmony.
It will also divert the billions of dollars invested in war materials to be used to advance the economy, medical and social services and more.
YJ Draiman
The Jewish People's historical right to the
Any view that contradicts this statement is pure distortion of the facts and history.
The Oslo Agreements were made with a view to enhance "a just, lasting and comprehensive peace." Yet, since their coming into effect the
The establishment of the Palestinian Authority should serve as a "guide to the bewildered" of the grave risks posed by such an
Under public international law,
In addition at that time, the Allied powers also set up 21
It is also important to address the expulsion of over a million Jewish people from the Arab countries and the confiscation of land owned by Jewish people in the Arab countries, totaling 120,000 sq. km. (4 times the size of Israel) valued at over 15 trillion dollars and other personal assets confiscated by the Arabs totaling over 990 billion dollars.
The Jewish people resettled the million Jewish refugees from the Arab countries. It is about time the Arab countries who expelled the million Jewish people, must settle the Arab-Palestinian refugees once and for all without compromising
Neither the U.N. nor any Country in the world has the authority to create a state or dissolve a state, (check the U.N. charter and international law.)
A true peace will bring about an economic boom to the region of which the world has never seen before. It will raise the standard of living for all the people in the
It will also divert the billions of dollars invested in war materials to be used to advance the economy, medical and social services and more.
YJ Draiman
"Greater Israel belongs to the Jewish people under
International Law!"
Repeating and repeating your mantra does not change the
Declaration.
Re: Israel - To whom it may concern in Europe , Asia , the US and elsewhere:
We are tired of hearing that withdrawal from Judea and Samaria will bring peace. We know and you
know that it would bring another Gaza . So stop saying it and promoting
this fallacy. Past experience has proven that concessions, appeasement and land
for peace only increased terror, violence and more conflict.
We are tired of hearing that land beyond the Green Line is
'Arab-Palestinian land'. The Green Line is simply an armistice line that has no
political significance. You know this too. The San Remo Treaty of 1920 Granted
the Mandate for Palestine to the Jewish people, the same Allied powers also
established 21 Arab States and one Jewish State - The Arabs are not willing to
give up any part of the 21 Arab States and the Jews are not willing to give up
any part of the Jewish State.
We are tired of hearing about the "Arab-Palestinian
people." They are no different from the Arabs of Syria or Egypt , from which most of their
ancestors migrated in the last 150 years or so. There is no Palestinian language or religion, and
until very recently they considered themselves simply 'Arabs'. Their culture is
almost entirely defined by their opposition to the Jewish state. Teaching hate
and terror to their children. There never was an Arab-Palestinian State or people in History. The Arab
Palestinians have a State in Jordan which is 80% of the land originally
allocated to the Jewish people under the San Remo Treaty of 1920.
We are tired of hearing that "the Arab-Palestinians deserve
a state." We are indigenous here, not them, and their behavior entitles them
more to a trial at The Hague than to a state. The Arab
Palestinians have a State it is called Jordan which was carved out of Jewish
allocated land in 1922.
And they certainly don't deserve our state, which is the only
state they want. They already took 80% of Jewish allocated land which is Jordan . Israel also gave them the Gaza Strip.
We are tired of hearing about 'The Occupation'. As Minister
Naftali Bennett said the other day, you can't be an occupier in your own land.
The Arabs are the occupiers, Greater Israel has been a Jewish state for 4,000
years even if it was temporarily conquered and occupied by various nations over
the centuries.
We are tired of hearing that "settlements are illegal under
international law." They are not. The San Remo Treaty of 1920 explicitly stated
that Jewish people can reside anywhere in the Mandate for Palestine , those terms are set in perpetuity.
We are tired of hearing that "settlement construction is an
obstacle to peace." Arab rejectionism and terrorism and suicide bombing is the
reason there is no peace. When the Arab-Palestinians teach and preach hate, terror and destruction to their
children, this is definitely not a road to peace and coexistence.
By the way, we are pro-peace. We are just not pro-suicide and
self destruction.
We are tired of hearing about the 5 million (or whatever
ridiculous number there are alleged to be) 'Arab-Palestinian refugees' or the
'Arab-Palestinian Diaspora'. There were about 600,000 Arabs that left their
homes in 1948, mostly of their own volition, more or less at the same time as
the over 980,000 Jewish refugees from Arab countries, of which the Arabs
confiscated their homes and assets. We resettled ours with limited land and
resources — resettle yours, the 21 Arab states have more land and resources.
The Arab dis-information must be ignored.
We are tired of hearing anything from anyone associated with the
U.N. The U.N. is a parasitic and criminal enterprise dominated by our mortal
enemies. The U.N. cannot create states, it can only recommend and so can other
nations only recommend and not create a state that never existed before in
history. If they want an Arab-Palestinian state, it already exists, it is Jordan which has taken 80% of Jewish
allocated land.
We are tired of stupid post-colonialist rhetoric. We are not
'colonists' and Arabs do not have the right to murder us in the name of
'resistance' or beheading Jewish Rabbi's in Jerusalem 's Har Nof Synagogue. Talking this
way reveals you as moral imbeciles. They train their children to be suicide
bombers. The Arabs are the colonialists.
You can not recognize a state and people that never existed and
that has no borders, no single government, and no economy. They are not trusted
by Arab states either.
We know we can not depend on any kind of security guarantee from
anyone except the Israel Defense Forces. So stop being insulted because we do
not trust you. And do not ask us to give up any nuclear weapons we might or
might not have or any other method and technology that could help protect us.
We know that the left-wing parties in Israel are bankrupt of ideas. We are not
going to vote for them, no matter how much you would like us to. So do not
bother trying to influence our election. We will only vote for a government
that protects its people and cares about the Jewish heritage, more than it
cares for world opinion.
Don't believe what you read in Ha'aretz newspaper, they
represent a minority that has no allegiance to the Jewish heritage.
Sincerely,
Ordinary Israelis who care about their heritage.
Posted by: Draiman
"The San Remo Treaty of 1920 Granted the Mandate for Palestine to the Jewish people"?
Suggest that you study the English
Language further, YJ...... or stop taking the money.
Excellent post. This American supports you fully and am ashamed
and terrified by my president’s actions. My desperate hope is that we get a
republican in 2016 and things will be better for Israel . Shalom.
"It should be common knowledge that under the Mandate, all
of Palestine was reserved exclusively for the establishment of the Jewish
National Home and future independent Jewish State, as was previously decided at
the San Remo Peace Conference that took place in April 1920."
I don't understand how did the author of this article reach this
ridiculous conclusion;
"It should be common knowledge that under the Mandate, all
of Palestine
was reserved exclusively for the establishment of the Jewish National
Home and future independent Jewish State, as was previously decided at
the San Remo Peace Conference that took place in April 1920."?
was reserved exclusively for the establishment of the Jewish National
Home and future independent Jewish State, as was previously decided at
the San Remo Peace Conference that took place in April 1920."?
Didn't see the word 'all' in my copy of the Mandate...... is
that pencilled in in your copy?
This is what the United States understood they were agreeing to:
“1) That there be established a separate state of Palestine .
2) That this state be placed underGreat Britain as a mandatory of the League of Nations .
3) That the Jews be invited to return to Palestine and settle there being assured by the Conference of an proper assistance in so doing that may be consistent with the protection of the personal (especially the religious) and the property rights of the non-Jewish population, and being further assured that it will be the policy of the League of Nations to recognise [sic] Palestine as a Jewish state as soon as it is a Jewish state in fact.” http://www.eretzyisroel.org...
2) That this state be placed under
3) That the Jews be invited to return to Palestine and settle there being assured by the Conference of an proper assistance in so doing that may be consistent with the protection of the personal (especially the religious) and the property rights of the non-Jewish population, and being further assured that it will be the policy of the League of Nations to recognise [sic] Palestine as a Jewish state as soon as it is a Jewish state in fact.” http://www.eretzyisroel.org...
Harry Sacher published a short book in 1919 recommending a
British trusteeship.
"A JewishPalestine : the Jewish case for a British
Trusteeship". This was adopted at San Remo , with careful British tailoring of
language so as not to stir up the Arabs.
"A Jewish
"property rights of the
non-Jewish population"? .... and what happened to those rights at the
hands of the Zionists?
It would have been foolish for the
Bitish to explicitly provide for A Jewish state when all it needed to do was
place the collective political rights in trust to vest when the Jews attained
what they needed to become a stable democratic Jewish state. A trust agreement
is normally self-executing. Why unnecessarily stir up the Arabs?
"...without affecting the civil
or religious rights of the non Jewish communities..." The French wanted to
amend the savings clause to add political rights but the others objected. The
collective political rights were recognized as belonging to the Jews. But
"civil rights" includes the right to vote in an election held by a
government set up by the Jews and administered by them. That is the meaning of
"national rights" or "collective rights to political
self-determination". So the Jews were recognized as owning the collective
political rights and both the Jews and non Jews kept their individual political
rights.
I am sorry but you are TOTALLY wrong. The 1917 Balfour
Declaration enshrined verbatim in the 1920 San Remo Resolution by the League of Nations , very clearly states:
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the
establishment in Palestine of a NATIONAL HOME FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE, and will
use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being
clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice THE CIVIL AND RELIGIOUS RIGHTS OF THE EXISTING
NON-JEWISH COMMUNITIES IN PALESTINE or the rights and political status enjoyed
by Jews in any other country".
So, in answer to your WRONG arguments 1) the 1920 Resolution
assigned the WHOLE MANDATE OF PALESTINE, including present day Kingdom of Jordan , to the establishment of a NATIONAL
HOME for the Jewish people. Only in 1922 under pressure from Great Britain, the
Land assigned to a future Jewish State was limited on the east, to the River
Jordan, to accomodate east of the River in the approx. 75% remainder of the
Mandate of Palestine, a Sheikhdom of Trans-Jordan given as reward to Hussein,
the Sharif of the Mecca and King of Hejaz (Arabia) who was escaping the
advancing hordes of the desert marauder Ibn Al-Saud.
2) The Balfour Declaration enshrined in both 1920 and 1922
League of Nations Resolutions speaks of a NATIONAL HOME only for the Jewish
People, while for the NON-JEWISH COMMUNITIES in Palestine it only guarantees and specifically
mention their CIVIL AND RELIGIOUS RIGHTS but not their
National Rights.
A NATIONAL HOME of a people is quite obviously its NATIONAL STATE . Civil and Religious Rights have
nothing to do with National Rights in Palestine that are reserved ONLY for the Jews
of the world. Kapish?
You really don't understand English
and its meaning do you, Enzo?
Class A Mandates by definition vis a
vis the League of Nations Charter are territories read for independence but in
need of temporary administrative mentoring. That the League consigned Mandatory
Palestine AS a Class A is how "Jewish State" is derived from
"Jewish National Home." Moreover it was Class Sui Generis with Arabs
not even mentioned as an afterthought. While the Mandate named the Jewish
Agency as the indigenous governing entity it laid out absolutely no equivalent
for Arabs. Jews were permitted to immigrate at will regardless whether Arabs
agreed or not. The League provided two Class A Mandates for Arabs and if local
Arabs did not like living in a Jewish nation they were free to migrate into
those two Arab Class As.
Jews were permitted to emigrate at
will. White Paper. Please renew your library card. Avalon research at Yale is a
great resource for documents.
The first White Paper (Churchill White Paper) of 1922 has
absolutely nothing to do with limiting Jewish immigration and one of the
provisions thereby included is the following:
'During the last two or three generations the Jews have recreated in Palestine a community, now numbering 80,000... it is essential that it should know that it is inPalestine as of right and not on the
sufferance. That is the reason why it is necessary that the existence of a
Jewish National Home in Palestine should be internationally
guaranteed, and that it should be formally recognized to rest upon ancient
historic connection.'
'During the last two or three generations the Jews have recreated in Palestine a community, now numbering 80,000... it is essential that it should know that it is in
The White Paper that limited Jewish
immigration in Palestine is the 1939 White Paper.
Basically true. The Mandate's purpose
was to facilitate the creation of a bi-national state. The Jewish homeland was
to exist within this state. The Jewish state was created after Arab
nationalists rejected both the bi-national option and the UN partition plan.
That being said, the Arabs are due no more of what was Mandate Palestine than
what was granted to them when the Trans-Jordan portion of the territories was
made into the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. No other portion of the territories
may be set aside for the creation of a solely Arab state or country without the
consent of a dully elected representative of the Jewish people; which would be
the government of the State of Israel.
Wrong. The Jews were given the right
to immigrate to Palestine and apply for Palestinian
citizenship. But it was specifically stated that the rights of the non-Jewish
citizens of Palestine were not to be violated. They were
never given Palestine , only the right to llive there. They
have since taken, by force, a huge potion of land and made it exclusive to
Jewish citizens, no Arabs allowed. This is a direct violation of the original
agreement. They have no legal right to that land, whatever they might tell you.
And Article 80 does not apply exclusively to the Jews. It doesn't even mention
them. This is an attempt to twist and distort the historical facts to give
people the impression that the illegal Jewish settlements are legal. And it is
all in response to the UN recognizing the State of Palestine, something Israel very much does not want to have
happen.
How can you say "no Arabs allowed" when 1.5 million
Arabs live alongside Jews, Christians, Druze and Ba'hais in Israel ?
The Apartheid of South Africa did not
grant blacks rights; in Israel , Arabs are MPs and on the Supreme
Court.
And who said that Arab israelus should be expelled from israel and "deported" to the West Bank ?"
Mazel Tov! Now
lets ask the arabs to leave since they have claimed in overwhelming numbers to
oppose any Jewish nation that safeguards the rights and property of Jews. In
G-d I trust.
"It should be common knowledge that under the Mandate, all
of Palestine
was reserved exclusively for the establishment of the Jewish National
Home and future independent Jewish State, as was previously decided at
the San Remo Peace Conference that took place in April 1920."?
was reserved exclusively for the establishment of the Jewish National
Home and future independent Jewish State, as was previously decided at
the San Remo Peace Conference that took place in April 1920."?
Wrong!
Balfour gave Jews 'A' home 'IN' Palestine ..... not 'OF' Palestine . Israel is already that home. Your common
misreading (deliberate?) of the Mandate is noted.
Balfour intended that all of Palestine become the jewish national home.
This was confirmed by Balfour’s grandson at Balfour house at a meeting which i
attended.
If they intended only a part of Palestine , the relatively small population of
Jews at the time would not have been of concern, either to Samuels or Sacher.
Evidence of the intent of the settlors of a trust is the guiding light to its
interpretation. See Tentative US Proposal of January 21, 1919 .
Read the Mandate ..... not a Jewish wish list!
US? Irrelevant to Balfour.
The Original
(1964)
This Covenant was written by the first PLO Chairman, Ahmed
Shukeiry. This version reflects the Pan-Arab nationalism which can be clearly
seen in the emphasis on the view of Palestine as part of an Arab collective
homeland. The pan-Arab objective in the Arab-Israeli conflict is rather
pervasive – the destruction of Israel . However, noticeably missing is the
call for a Palestinian state and the subordinate position of the Palestinians
in what is expressed as a battle for their rights and homeland.
We. The Palestinian Arab people, who waged fierce and continuous battles to safeguard its homeland, to defend its dignity and honour, and who offered, all through the years, continuous caravans of immortal martyrs, and who wrote the noblest pages of sacrifice, offering and giving.
We. The Palestinian Arab people, who faced the forces of evil, injustice and aggression against whom the forces of International Zionism and colonialism conspired and worked to displace it, dispossess it from its homeland to realize its freedom and dignity and who has determined to amass its forces and mobilize its efforts and capabilities in order to continue its struggle and to move forward on the path of holy war until complete and final victory has been attained.
We. The Palestinian Arab people, depending on our right of self-defense and the complete restoration of our lost homeland – a right that has been recognized by international covenants and common practices including the charter of the United Nations and in implementation of the principles of human rights’ and comprehending the international political relations, with its various ramifications and limits, and considering the past experiences in all that pertains to the causes of the catastrophe (al-Nakba), and the means to face it.
And embarking from the Palestinian Arab reality, and for the sake of the honour of the Palestinian individual and his right to free and dignified life;
And realizing the national grave responsibility placed upon our shoulders, for the sake of all this.
We. The Palestinian Arab people, dictate and declare this Palestinian National Covenant and vow to realize it.
Article 1.Palestine is an Arab homeland bound by strong
national ties to the rest of the Arab Countries and which together form the
large Arab homeland.
Article 2.Palestine with its boundaries at the time of
the British Mandate is a regional indivisible unit.
Article 3. The Palestinian Arab people has the legitimate right to its homeland and is an inseparable part of the Arab Nation. It shares the sufferings and aspirations of the Arab Nation and its struggle for freedom, sovereignty, progress and unity.
Article 4. The people ofPalestine determines its destiny when it
completes the liberation of its homeland in accordance with its own wishes and
free will and choice.
Article 5. The Palestinian personality is a permanent and genuine characteristic that does not disappear. It is transferred from fathers to sons.
Article 6. The Palestinians are those Arab citizens who were living normally inPalestine up to 1947, whether they remained or
were expelled. Every child who was born to a Palestinian parent after this date
whether in Palestine or outside is a Palestinian.
Article 7. Jews of Palestinian origin are considered Palestinians if they are willing to live peacefully and loyally inPalestine .
Article 8. Bringing up Palestinian youth in Arab and nationalist manner is a fundamental national duty. All means of guidance education and enlightenment should be utilized to introduce the youth to its homeland in a deep spiritual way that will constantly and firmly bind them together.
Article 9. Doctrines whether political social or economic, shall not occupy the people ofPalestine from the primary duty of liberating
their homeland. All Palestinians constitute one national front and work with
all their feelings and spiritual and material potentialities to free their
homeland.
Article 10. Palestinians have three mottoes: National unity, National mobilization; and liberation. Once liberation is completed, the people ofPalestine shall choose for its public life
whatever political economic or social system they want.
Article 11. The Palestinian people firmly believe in Arab unity, and in order to play its role in realizing this goal, it must, at this stage of its struggle preserve its Palestinian personality and all its constituents. It must strengthen the consciousness of its existence and stand against any attempt or plan that may weaken or disintegrate its personality.
Article 12. Arab unity and the liberation ofPalestine are two complementary goals; each
prepares for the attainment of the other. Arab unity leads to the liberation of
Palestine , and the liberation of Palestine leads to Arab unity. Working for
both must go side by side.
Article 13. The destiny of the Arab Nation and even the essence of Arab existence are firmly tied to the destiny of thePalestine question; from this firm bond stems
the effort and struggle of the Arab Nation to liberate Palestine . The People of Palestine assumes the
vanguard role in achieving this sacred national goal.
Article 14. The liberation ofPalestine from an Arab view point, is a
national duty. Its responsibilities fall upon the entire Arab Nation,
Governments and peoples, the Palestinian people being in the foreground. For
this purpose the Arab Nation must mobilize its military spiritual and material
potentialities, specifically, it must give to the Palestinian Arab people all
possible support and backing and place at its disposal all opportunities and
means to enable them to perform their roles in liberating their homeland.
Article 15. The liberation of Palestine, from a spiritual view point, prepares for the Holy Land, an atmosphere of tranquillity and peace, in which all the Holy Places will be safeguarded, and the free worship and visit to all will be guaranteed, without any discrimination of race, colour, tongue, or religion. For all this, the Palestinian people look forward to the support of all spiritual forces in the world.
Article 16. The liberation ofPalestine from an international view point is
a defensive act necessitated by the demands of self-defense as stated in the
charter of the United Nations. That is why the people of Palestine desiring to
befriend all nations which love freedom, justice, and peace, is looking forward
for their support in restoring the legitimate situation to Palestine,
establishing peace and security in its territory, and enable its people to
exercise national sovereignty and freedom.
Article 17. The Partitioning of Palestine in 1947 and the establishment of Israel are illegal and false regardless of the loss of time, because they were contrary to the wish of the Palestine people and its natural right to its homeland, and in violation of the basic principles embodied in the charter of the United Nations, foremost among which is the right to self-determination.
Article 18. The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate system and all that has been based upon them are considered fraud. The claims of historic and spiritual ties, ties between Jews andPalestine are not in agreement with the facts
of history or with the true basis of sound statehood. Judaism because it is a
divine religion is not a nationality with independent existence. Furthermore
the Jews are not one people with an independent personality because they are
citizens of the countries to which they belong.
Article 19. Zionism is a colonialist movement in its inception, aggressive and expansionist in its goals, racist and segregationist in its configurations and fascist in its means and aims.Israel in its capacity as the spearhead of
this destructive movement and the pillar for colonialism is a permanent source
of tension and turmoil in the Middle East in particular and to the
international community in general. Because of this the People of Palestine are
worthy of the support and sustenance of the community of nations.
Article 20. The causes of peace and security and the needs of right and justice demand from all nations, in order to safeguard true relationships among peoples, and to maintain the loyalty of citizens to their homeland, to consider Zionism an illegal movement and to outlaw its presence and activities.
Article 21. ThePalestine people believes in the principle of
justice, freedom, sovereignty, self-determination, human dignity, and the right
of peoples to practice these principles. It also supports all international
efforts to bring about peace on the basis of justice and free international
co-operation.
Article 22. The People of Palestine believe in peaceful coexistence on the basis of legal existence, for there can be no coexistence with aggression, nor can there be peace with occupation and colonialism.
Article 23. In realizing the goals and principles of this Covenant the Palestine Liberation Organization carries out its complete role to liberatePalestine in accordance with the fundamental
law of this Organization.
Article 24. This Organization does not exercise any regional sovereignty over theWest Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan,
on the Gaza Strip or the Himmah Area. Its activities will be on the national
popular level in the liberational, organizational, political and financial
fields.
Article 25. The Organization is encharged with the movement of the Palestinian people in its struggle to liberate its homeland in all liberational, organizational, political, and financial matters, and in all other needs of the Palestine Question in the Arab and international spheres.
Article 26. The Liberation Organization co-operates with all Arab governments each according to its ability, and does not interfere in the internal affairs of any state.
Article 27. The Organization shall have its flag, oath and national anthem. All this shall be resolved in accordance with a special system.
Article 28. The Fundamental Law for the Palestine Liberation Organization is attached to this Covenant. This Law defines the manner of establishing the Organization, its organs, institutions, the specialities of each one of them, and all the needed duties thrust upon it in accordance with this Covenant.
Article 29. This Covenant cannot be amended except by two-thirds majority of the National Council of the Palestine Liberation Organization in a special session called for this purpose.
We. The Palestinian Arab people, who waged fierce and continuous battles to safeguard its homeland, to defend its dignity and honour, and who offered, all through the years, continuous caravans of immortal martyrs, and who wrote the noblest pages of sacrifice, offering and giving.
We. The Palestinian Arab people, who faced the forces of evil, injustice and aggression against whom the forces of International Zionism and colonialism conspired and worked to displace it, dispossess it from its homeland to realize its freedom and dignity and who has determined to amass its forces and mobilize its efforts and capabilities in order to continue its struggle and to move forward on the path of holy war until complete and final victory has been attained.
We. The Palestinian Arab people, depending on our right of self-defense and the complete restoration of our lost homeland – a right that has been recognized by international covenants and common practices including the charter of the United Nations and in implementation of the principles of human rights’ and comprehending the international political relations, with its various ramifications and limits, and considering the past experiences in all that pertains to the causes of the catastrophe (al-Nakba), and the means to face it.
And embarking from the Palestinian Arab reality, and for the sake of the honour of the Palestinian individual and his right to free and dignified life;
And realizing the national grave responsibility placed upon our shoulders, for the sake of all this.
We. The Palestinian Arab people, dictate and declare this Palestinian National Covenant and vow to realize it.
Article 1.
Article 2.
Article 3. The Palestinian Arab people has the legitimate right to its homeland and is an inseparable part of the Arab Nation. It shares the sufferings and aspirations of the Arab Nation and its struggle for freedom, sovereignty, progress and unity.
Article 4. The people of
Article 5. The Palestinian personality is a permanent and genuine characteristic that does not disappear. It is transferred from fathers to sons.
Article 6. The Palestinians are those Arab citizens who were living normally in
Article 7. Jews of Palestinian origin are considered Palestinians if they are willing to live peacefully and loyally in
Article 8. Bringing up Palestinian youth in Arab and nationalist manner is a fundamental national duty. All means of guidance education and enlightenment should be utilized to introduce the youth to its homeland in a deep spiritual way that will constantly and firmly bind them together.
Article 9. Doctrines whether political social or economic, shall not occupy the people of
Article 10. Palestinians have three mottoes: National unity, National mobilization; and liberation. Once liberation is completed, the people of
Article 11. The Palestinian people firmly believe in Arab unity, and in order to play its role in realizing this goal, it must, at this stage of its struggle preserve its Palestinian personality and all its constituents. It must strengthen the consciousness of its existence and stand against any attempt or plan that may weaken or disintegrate its personality.
Article 12. Arab unity and the liberation of
Article 13. The destiny of the Arab Nation and even the essence of Arab existence are firmly tied to the destiny of the
Article 14. The liberation of
Article 15. The liberation of Palestine, from a spiritual view point, prepares for the Holy Land, an atmosphere of tranquillity and peace, in which all the Holy Places will be safeguarded, and the free worship and visit to all will be guaranteed, without any discrimination of race, colour, tongue, or religion. For all this, the Palestinian people look forward to the support of all spiritual forces in the world.
Article 16. The liberation of
Article 17. The Partitioning of Palestine in 1947 and the establishment of Israel are illegal and false regardless of the loss of time, because they were contrary to the wish of the Palestine people and its natural right to its homeland, and in violation of the basic principles embodied in the charter of the United Nations, foremost among which is the right to self-determination.
Article 18. The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate system and all that has been based upon them are considered fraud. The claims of historic and spiritual ties, ties between Jews and
Article 19. Zionism is a colonialist movement in its inception, aggressive and expansionist in its goals, racist and segregationist in its configurations and fascist in its means and aims.
Article 20. The causes of peace and security and the needs of right and justice demand from all nations, in order to safeguard true relationships among peoples, and to maintain the loyalty of citizens to their homeland, to consider Zionism an illegal movement and to outlaw its presence and activities.
Article 21. The
Article 22. The People of Palestine believe in peaceful coexistence on the basis of legal existence, for there can be no coexistence with aggression, nor can there be peace with occupation and colonialism.
Article 23. In realizing the goals and principles of this Covenant the Palestine Liberation Organization carries out its complete role to liberate
Article 24. This Organization does not exercise any regional sovereignty over the
Article 25. The Organization is encharged with the movement of the Palestinian people in its struggle to liberate its homeland in all liberational, organizational, political, and financial matters, and in all other needs of the Palestine Question in the Arab and international spheres.
Article 26. The Liberation Organization co-operates with all Arab governments each according to its ability, and does not interfere in the internal affairs of any state.
Article 27. The Organization shall have its flag, oath and national anthem. All this shall be resolved in accordance with a special system.
Article 28. The Fundamental Law for the Palestine Liberation Organization is attached to this Covenant. This Law defines the manner of establishing the Organization, its organs, institutions, the specialities of each one of them, and all the needed duties thrust upon it in accordance with this Covenant.
Article 29. This Covenant cannot be amended except by two-thirds majority of the National Council of the Palestine Liberation Organization in a special session called for this purpose.
The 1964 PLO Charter was drafted in Moscow by the KGB. They invented the so
called "Palestinian People" for two reasons. 1. To change the Jewish
People to Goliath and the newly invented Palestinian People to David. 2. At the
same time Russian Diplomats were pushing the ICCPR Convention throught the UN
which provided that any "People" had the collective right to
political self-determination. Up to that time the term "Palestinians"
referred to Jews in Palestine . One member of the Executive Board
of the PLO admitted in an interview in 1973 to the Dutch Newspaper Trouw that
there is no such thing as the "Palestinian People" It is just a
political ploy. This is confirmed by the highest ranking defector from the
Soviet bloc who said the existence of a Palestinian People was confirmed only
by the first 422 members of the so called Palestine National Council, each hand
picked by the KGB.
The Mandate for Palestine aka Greater Israel as it Pertains to Jerusalem and the Old City
The rights granted to the Jewish people in the 1920 San Remo
Conference confirmed by the August 1920 Treaty of Sevres and Lausanne, and
adopted and incorporated by the Mandate for Palestine relating to the
establishment of the Jewish national home were to be given effect in all parts
and regions of the Palestine territory. No exception was made for Jerusalem and its Old City , which were not singled out for
special reference in either the Balfour Declaration, the April1920 San Remo
Treaty or the Mandate for Palestine , other than to call for the
preservation of existing rights in the Holy Places. As concerns the Holy
Places, including those located in the Old City , specific obligations and
responsibilities were imposed on the Mandatory.
It follows that the legal rights of the claimants to sovereignty over the Old City of Jerusalem similarly derive from the decisions of the Principal Allied Powers in the 1920San Remo conference and from the terms of the
Mandate for Palestine adopted and approved by the Council
of the League of Nations . In evaluating the validity of the
claims of Israel relating to the Old City , the Council decision is of great
significance from the perspective of the rights and obligations that it created
under international law which the UN cannot supersede or modify without the
consent of the parties.
TheLeague of Nations and the UN can only recommend a
resolution, in order for a resolution to be binding it must be agreed to and
executed by the parties, since the Arabs rejected outright the partition and
most other resolutions, all those resolutions are void and have no standing whatsoever.
In the view ofOxford international law professor Ian
Brownlie, "in many instances the rights of parties to a dispute derive
from legally significant acts, or a treaty concluded very long ago". As a
result of these "legally significant acts", there are legal as well
as historical ties between the State of Israel and the Old City of Jerusalem.
The intellectual ties were further solidified by the official opening of theHebrew University on 1 April 1925 in Jerusalem , attended by many dignitaries, including
the University’s founding father, Dr. Chaim Weizmann, Field Marshall Allenby,
Lord Balfour, Professor William Rappard and Sir Herbert Samuel, among many
other distinguished guests. According to Dr. Weizmann, addressing the
dignitaries and some twelve thousand other attendees at this memorable event,
the opening of the University in Jerusalem was "the distinctive symbol, as
it is destined to be the crowning glory, of the National Home of the Jewish
people which we are seeking to rebuild". The Faisal Weitzmann agreement of
January 3, 1919 stated and agreed that the Jews
would have Jerusalem and that the Muslim places of
worship would be protected.
In addition to the legal, historical and intellectual heritage, in the words of Canadian scholar Dr. Jacques Paul Gauthier: "To attempt to solve the Jerusalem / Old City problem without taking into consideration the historical and religious facts is like trying to put together a ten thousand piece puzzle without the most strategic pieces of that puzzle". In his monumental work entitled Sovereignty Over the Old City of Jerusalem: A Study of the Historical, Religious, Political and Legal Aspects of the Question of the Old City, Dr. Gauthier offers an exhaustive review of these historical/spiritual/political/legal bonds, emphasizing the "extraordinary meaning" of the Old City of Jerusalem and the temple to the Jewish people.
Indeed, with respect to the question of theOld City , the historical facts and the res
religiosae (or things involving religion) are rendered legally relevant by the
decisions taken at the 1920 San Remo sessions of the Paris Peace
Conference, together with the terms of the Mandate for Greater Israel aka Palestine . Notwithstanding the fact that
historical, religious or other non-legal considerations may not be considered
relevant or sufficient to support a legal claim normally in international law
cases, these aspects of the issue of the city of Jerusalem are relevant in
evaluating the claims of Israel and the Arab-Palestinians relating to sovereignty
over the Old City, just as much or perhaps even more than over the entire State
of Israel and the Holy Land, as noted.
YJ Draiman
It follows that the legal rights of the claimants to sovereignty over the Old City of Jerusalem similarly derive from the decisions of the Principal Allied Powers in the 1920
The
In the view of
The intellectual ties were further solidified by the official opening of the
In addition to the legal, historical and intellectual heritage, in the words of Canadian scholar Dr. Jacques Paul Gauthier: "To attempt to solve the Jerusalem / Old City problem without taking into consideration the historical and religious facts is like trying to put together a ten thousand piece puzzle without the most strategic pieces of that puzzle". In his monumental work entitled Sovereignty Over the Old City of Jerusalem: A Study of the Historical, Religious, Political and Legal Aspects of the Question of the Old City, Dr. Gauthier offers an exhaustive review of these historical/spiritual/political/legal bonds, emphasizing the "extraordinary meaning" of the Old City of Jerusalem and the temple to the Jewish people.
Indeed, with respect to the question of the
YJ Draiman
The Arab and Jewish-Israel’s Agreement of January 3, 1919 - Known as The King Faisal - Chaim
Weizmann Agreement.
Faisal-Weizmann Agreement
Signed onJanuary 3rd, 1919 , the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement was
an agreement between Jews and Arabs who both wished to set up their own nations
in the Middle East .
Signed on
Introduction
During the 1918-1919 Paris peace conference following World War
I, the Emir Feisal, son of Hussein, Sherif of Mecca - representing the Arabs,
signed an agreement with Dr Chaim Weizmann - representing the Jewish people
(who became later the first president of Israel) supporting the rights of the
Jews in Palestine. This agreement has not been annulled and its terms should be
enforced. Neither the League of Nations , The UN or the ICJ cannot modify
this agreement between the Arabs and Jews. Only the parties to the agreement
can amend or modify the agreement.
Agreement Between Emir Feisal ibn Hussein and Dr. Weizmann | 3 Jan 1919
His Royal Highness the Emir FEISAL, representing and acting on
behalf of the Arab Kingdom of Hedjaz, and Dr. CHAIM WEIZMANN, representing and
acting on behalf of the Zionist Organization. mindful of the racial kinship and
ancient bonds existing between the Arabs and the Jewish people, and realizing
that the surest means of working out the consummation of their national
aspirations is through the closest possible collaboration in the development of
the Arab State and Palestine, and being desirous further of confirming the good
understanding which exists between them, have agreed upon the following
Articles:
ARTICLE I
The Arab State andPalestine in all their relations and
undertakings shall be controlled by the most cordial goodwill and understanding
and to this end Arab and Jewish duly accredited agents shall be established and
maintained in the respective territories.
The Arab State and
ARTICLE II
Immediately following the completion of the deliberations of the Peace Conference, the definite boundaries between theArab State and Palestine shall be determined by a Commission
to be agreed upon by the parties hereto.
Immediately following the completion of the deliberations of the Peace Conference, the definite boundaries between the
ARTICLE III
In the establishment of the Constitution and Administration of Palestine all such measures shall be adopted as will afford the fullest guarantee for carrying into effect the British Government's Declaration ofthe 2nd of November, 1917 .
In the establishment of the Constitution and Administration of Palestine all such measures shall be adopted as will afford the fullest guarantee for carrying into effect the British Government's Declaration of
ARTICLE IV
All necessary measures shall be taken to encourage and stimulate immigration of Jews intoPalestine on a large scale, and as quickly as
possible to settle Jewish immigrants upon the land through closer settlement
and intensive cultivation of the soil. In taking such measures and measures the
Arab peasant and tenant farms shall be protected in their rights and shall be
assisted in forwarding their economic development.
All necessary measures shall be taken to encourage and stimulate immigration of Jews into
ARTICLE V
No regulation nor law shall be made prohibiting or interfering in any way with the free exercise of religion; and further the free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship without discrimination or preference shell forever be allowed. No religious test shall ever be required for the exercise of civil or political rights.
No regulation nor law shall be made prohibiting or interfering in any way with the free exercise of religion; and further the free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship without discrimination or preference shell forever be allowed. No religious test shall ever be required for the exercise of civil or political rights.
ARTICLE VI
The Mohammedan Holy Places shall be under Mohammedan control.
The Mohammedan Holy Places shall be under Mohammedan control.
ARTICLE VII
The Zionist Organization proposes to send toPalestine a Commission of experts to make a
survey of the economic possibilities of the country, and to report upon the
best means for its development. The Zionist Organization will place the
aforementioned Commission at the disposal of the Arab State for the purpose of a survey of the
economic possibilities of the Arab State and to report upon the best means
for its development. The Zionist Organization will use Its best efforts to
assist the Arab State in providing the means for
developing the natural resources and economic possibilities thereof.
The Zionist Organization proposes to send to
ARTICLE VIII
The parties hereto agree to act in complete accord and harmony on all matters embraced herein before the Peace congress.
The parties hereto agree to act in complete accord and harmony on all matters embraced herein before the Peace congress.
ARTICLE IX
Any matters of dispute which my arise between the contracting parties shall be referred to the British Government for arbitration.
Any matters of dispute which my arise between the contracting parties shall be referred to the British Government for arbitration.
Given under our hand at LONDON .
JANUARY, ONE THOUSAND NINE
HUNDRED AND NINETEEN.
Chaim-Weizmann.
Feisal ibn-Hussein.
Feisal ibn-Hussein.
If you can find a
copy of "A Jewish Palestine: the Jewish case for a British trust", read
it. In it Harry Sacher who had written the first draft of the Balfour
Declaration, described five methods of obtaining a Jewish Palestine and
selected placing the collective political rights to self-determination in trust
for the Jews until the Jews in Palestine were a majority in the territory they
would rule and capable of assuming the duties of a state. It was published by
the Zionist Organization in London in 1919.
The Law of Return is for The
Jews, the option to return to Greater Israel and The
Arab-Arab-Arab-Palestinians to leave Greater Israel and return to the Arab
countries they originated from. The Arab-Arab-Arab-Palestinians should move to
the Million plus Jewish homes confiscated by the Arab countries from the
expelled Jewish people and the 120,440 sq. km. of Real property the Arabs
confiscated from the million plus Jews and their children expelled from Arab
countries. That is the only viable alternative.
Face it and stop hallucinating, once and for all. There will never be anArab-Arab-Palestinian State in Greater Israel West of the Jordan River (Judea and Samaria ). Jerusalem the United Eternal Capital of the
Jewish people.
YJ Draiman
Face it and stop hallucinating, once and for all. There will never be an
YJ Draiman
Sending thousands of rockets indiscriminately into civilian
centers and tunneling into Israel to kill civilians and sending
suicide bombers is not an obstacle to peace but building homes is? Are the U.S.
& E.U. going on tour as a new comedy duo?
The Jewish heart and mind is eternally connected to Jerusalem and Israel for thousands of years
"For three thousand years, Jerusalem has been the center of Jewish hope
and longing. No other city has played such a dominant role in the history,
culture, religion and consciousness of a people as has Jerusalem in the life of Jewry and Judaism.
Throughout centuries of exile, Jerusalem remained alive in the hearts of Jews
everywhere as the focal point of Jewish history, the symbol of ancient glory,
spiritual fulfillment and modern renewal. This heart and soul of the Jewish
people engenders the thought that if you want one simple word to symbolize all
of Jewish history, that word would be 'Jerusalem .' "
"Every Jew has a spark in his soul from the light of God
above that illuminates his way during difficult times. And when it seems to him
that he is lost and that there is no way out, the spark flares and lights his
way. This is the little jug of oil that is revealed in time to save the Jew in
times of despair and to light up his life in desperate times."
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At last -- a coherent comment. I agree with everything you say.
The hypocrisy of the UN continues unabated.
Well, after studying the Bible for
over 50 years, both Old and New Testaments, I would emphatically state that the
Bible is the most accurate historical document known to man. Take the time to
read the well respected historian and reporter, Josephus who's writings concur
and confirm much of Scripture. The Bible has been used by archaeologist,
historians, as well as theologians and found to be the most accurate document
we have. With that said, God is very clear that HIs covenant promise of the
land was to be to Abraham's descendents through his son Isaac who was born to
his wife (accepted of God as his wife) and not Ismael who was the son of Hagar.
"And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! And God
said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name
Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant,
and with his seed after him And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I
have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly;
twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. But my
covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this
set time in the next year." Balfour recognized the extent of the land that
God had made promise to Abraham, to Isaac, to Jacob, and reminded Moses as He
took him up on Mount Nebo and showed him the land. Why the
political correctness, why the misinformation??? When will we truly seek truth
and believe the truth and have the courage to state the truth. The land
rightfully, by a far greater authority than the UN or the US or any other government belongs to
the descendants of Abraham! I stand amazed that people are unable to see the
promise of God to not only scatter Israel because of her disobedience, but also
His promise to bless her and bring her back into the land for an everlasting
covenant. It is remarkable and should cause many to sit up and pay attention to
what is going on. Through the prophet Zechariah, God states, "Behold, I
will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the
people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem ." (Zechariah 12:2) How true
that is today! Jerusalem is a cup of trembling to the world,
that little sliver of land, 14 % of what God promised!!! Pray for the peace of Jerusalem and may God help us see truth! It is
not far from us!
Justifying Occupation by a God that loves one and rejects
another? What kind of a God is this? Then you tell me Christianity and Jesus
love us?
"I would emphatically state that the Bible is the most
accurate historical document known to man."
I especially like the creation of the
Dinosaurs .... as you say.
There is nothing
immoral about occupying a land in which you have the unrestricted right of
settlement any more than occupying a home you own. This is territory that was
held in trust under the Palestine Mandate since 1920 until the trust vested.
Part of the territory vested in 1948 when the Jews attained a majority
population within defined boundaries shortly thereafter designated as an
Armistice Line. The Jews established unified control and met the other
obligations of sovereign states later codified in the 1933 Montevideo
Convention. When they also, in 1967, attained unified control over the
remainder of the territory west of the Jordan , the remainder of the trust rights
gave the Jews legal dominion over the political rights of self-determination --
i.e. the right to set up a government and administer it. There is no obligation
to exercise sovereignty over any territory. The Jews haven't exercised
sovereignty, as yet over Judea and Samaria .
A few days ago Australia 's Foreign Minister Julie Bishop
released an interview to The Times of Israel suggesting that, contrary to
conventional diplomatic wisdom, the settlements may not be illegal under
international law. In these last few years a growing number of politicians and
scholars have expressed similar positions. Many of them argue that the results
of the 1920's San Remo Conference and more than this the inclusion of the
principles contained in the Balfour Declaration in the text of the Mandate of
Palestine, assured to the Jewish people the exclusive right to create their
"national home" on "the whole country of Palestine, not a mere part of
it".
In this respect, the Levy Report - released on 9 July 2012 by a special committee appointed in
late January 2012 by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu - has
represented a sort of "watershed". It clarified that "with the
establishment of the United Nations in 1945, the principle of recognizing the
validity of existing rights of states acquired under various mandates, including of
course the rights of Jews to settle in the Land of Israel by virtue of the
above documents, was determined in article 80 of its charter". According to the Levy Report,
Article 80 of the UN Charter implicitly recognizes the Mandate for Palestine .
The late Eugene Rostow, former dean of Yale Law School, also
known for being a key draftee of the UN resolution 242, further clarified these
aspects explaining that "a trust" - as in Article 80 of the UN
Charter - "does not end because the trustee dies". Rostow's argument, which is
repeated in the Levy report, is that although the League of Nations had ceased to exist, the
commitments of the League of Nations remain binding.
These claims are marred by several inaccuracies, starting from
the fact that the term "national home" had no mutually agreed upon
meaning or scope and that the British government was under no
definite obligation, since the Mandate made any Jewish immigration subject to
"suitable conditions" and contained safeguards for the rights and position of
the non-Jewish communities.
Furthermore, as David Ben-Gurion clarified in July 1947 in front
of the UNSCOP commission: "The Mandate, in fact, does not exist because it
was violated by the Mandatory. We are not in favour of renewing it. [...] we say
that the original intention and the need, and what in our conviction is just,
should be decided upon by the United Nations [...] I said we do not ask for a
Mandate any more, so it is not a question. The question does not arise on the
Mandate".
Also the assertion that article 80 of the UN Charter implicitly
recognizes the Mandate for Palestine is more complex than often claimed.
One of the legal advisors to the Jewish Agency, Jacob Robinson, published a
book in 1947 that presented a historical account of the Palestine Question and
the UN. He explained that when the Jewish Agency learned that the Allied Powers
had discussed at the Yalta Conference (February 1945) a new system of
international supervision to supersede the system of mandates, the Agency decided
to submit a formal request to the San Francisco Conference (April-June 1945) to
obtain a safeguarding clause in the UN Charter. The proposed clause would have
prevented a trusteeship agreement from altering the Jewish right to nationhood
secured by the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate for Palestine . The UN Conference ignored the
Agency's request and stipulated in article 80 of the Charter that the UN
organization did have the necessary power to conclude trusteeship agreements
that could alter existing rights held under a mandate.
Robinson tried to portray a legal setback as a victory and make
everyone think that Article 80 of the Charter accomplished the Agency's stated
objective. Indeed, the final text adopted by the working paper for
international trusteeship contained an exception that allowed trusteeship
agreements to do exactly what the Jewish Agency had tried to prohibit. In
Article 80's words: "Except as may be agreed upon in individual
trusteeship arrangements placing each territory under the trusteeship system,
nothing in this chapter should be construed in and of itself to alter in any
manner the rights of any state or any peoples in any territory".
Article 1 of General Assembly resolution 24(I) reserved the
right of the UN to decide not to assume any function or power of the League of Nations . On the 19th March 1948, during the
271st meeting of the Security Council, US Ambassador Warren Austin cited UN
General Assembly resolution 24(I) and pointed out: "The United Nations
does not automatically fall heir to the responsibilities either of the League
of Nations or of the Mandatory Power in respect of the Palestine Mandate. The
record seems to us entirely clear that the United Nations did not take over the
League of Nations Mandate system".
On top of all these considerations, the above mentioned thesis
of "exclusivity", besides being unjustified from an historical point of view - Palestine did not belong in an exclusive way
to one single population in its entire history - is incorrect also from the legal
perspective imposed since the early stage by London . Hubert Young, an important figure
of the Foreign Office, wrote in November 1920 that the commitment made by London "in respect of Palestine is the Balfour Declaration
constituting it a National Home for the Jewish People". Lord Curzon corrected him:
"No. 'Establishing a National Home in Palestine for the Jewish people' - a very
different proposition".
The British White Paper of June 1922 - the first document that
officially clarified the interpretation of the Mandate's text - clarified that
the Balfour Declaration does "not contemplate that Palestine as a whole
should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be
founded 'in Palestine'". Furthermore, it stressed - and this is perhaps the most relevant
aspect - that the "Zionist congress" that took place in Carlsbad in
September 1921 had officially accepted that "the determination of the
Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and
together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the
upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national
development".
It is only in light on these clarifications that the preamble as
well as Article 2 of the Mandate text can and should be understood. It is
noteworthy that Zionist consent to such interpretation was requested, and
received, before the Mandate was confirmed in July 1922. In Weizmann's words:
"It was made clear to us that confirmation of the Mandate would be
conditional on our acceptance of the policy as interpreted in the White Paper
[of 1922], and my colleagues and I therefore had to accept it, which we did,
though not without some qualms".
Why attempt to re-write Balfour?
Naughty.
The term national home did have an
agreed meaning that was not widely published to avoid stirring up the Arabs.
The British revealed the meaning in a Foreign Office memorandum dated December 19, 1917 . The Americans revealed the same
meaning in the American Proposal by the American Commission to Negotiate the
Peace, a report dated January 21, 1919 . Both of these provided for a Jewish
State after the Jews had attained a population majority and the capability to
exercise sovereignty.
Lots of words. None of them explain
why it would be that the Allies would reward the very people whom they fought
against - most ottoman Arabs in Palestine - with Palestine itself. Makes absolutely no sense.
>>>>since the Mandate made any Jewish immigration
subject to "suitable conditions" and contained safeguards for the
rights and position of the non-Jewish communities. <<<
The Mandate however did only give Britain the right to facilitate Jewish
immigration - not hinder it. So, if "suitable conditions" did not
exist then Jews had to do immigration without Britain 's support.It would still be
legal.
The Jewish
national home was of course the Palestine Mandate where Jews had self-governing
institutions within its borders. Arabs did not have the same autonomy within
Palestine Mandate. How could it be possible to have autonomy in the same area
for two different peoples? Impossible. Autonomy needs an area where it can be
exercised.
Dr. Abraham Weizfeld. No not true.
Hagar was a concubine not a wife. Ishmael is descendant but not inheritor.
But the lineage, and all that was associated with it - was passed on to Isaac, and not to Ishmael. My belief is that the Muslims never got over this (they have very long memories), and so have constantly and venally appropriated much of Jewish history as their own.
It is not a co-incidence that one of the most common Muslim names is Ibrahim.
But the lineage, and all that was associated with it - was passed on to Isaac, and not to Ishmael. My belief is that the Muslims never got over this (they have very long memories), and so have constantly and venally appropriated much of Jewish history as their own.
It is not a co-incidence that one of the most common Muslim names is Ibrahim.
Ishmael was the son of agar the slave of Sarah, wife of Abraham.
For the unbelief of Sarah she had give Agar to Abraham for have the Son of the
promise. But this wa not the Will of God. God gave them Isaac HE was the Son of
the Promise and he generated the People of God "Israel ". if you read in the Bible, the
filistin and many nations that was in the promised Land, to Israel was commanded to destruct them completely,
But they don’t, and know They have the results! This nation’s was the descendants
of Ishmael son of Hagar.
Dear Abraham Weizfeld,
Jewish Rights spelled clearly!
There is NO room for misinterpretation what "the establishment inPalestine of a national home for the Jewish
people" other then creating of a Jewish Nation means!
In Article 22 in the "Covenant of theLeague of Nations " it says:
Jewish Rights spelled clearly!
There is NO room for misinterpretation what "the establishment in
In Article 22 in the "Covenant of the
"Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development
where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized
subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory
until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these
communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the
Mandatory."
The "Mandate for Palestine " was created on 24th April 1922 from the LEAGUE OF NATIONS and
referring directly to Article 22 of the "Covenant of the League of Nations ". The Mandate was given over on 15th May 1948 to the modern State of Israel. Israel started to exist again. The
intentions and International Law of the LEAGUE OF NATIONS to build a Nation
"Eretz Israel " were fullfilled.
Abraham Weizfeld wrote "A national home for the Jewish
people is not a Nation-State."
Paragraph 4 of League of Nations Covenant Article 22 was to
apply to Syria and Iraq but not to Palestine
@Natasha Langman: Paragraph 4 of UN Charter Article 22 is
expressly referred to in the San Remo Resolution as applying to Syria and Iraq but the succeeding paragraph in the
Resolution applying to Palestine is silent about paragraph 4. Under
the legal doctrine "Inclusio unias est exclusio alterias" that means
that paragraph 4 of Article 22 of the Covenant does NOT apply to Palestine .
@Weizfeld: Evidence of the intentions
of the settlors of a trust are the lodestar for its interpretation. This
evidence includes the paper of Howard Samuels entitled The Future of Palestine
written in 1914, a British Foreign Office Memo explaining the Balfour
Declaration issued the month following its publication, and the Tentative
Proposal of the United States delivered on January 21, 1919 at the Paris Peace Talks. See also,
the Memorandum of the Jewish Agency in April 1945 to the UN Charter drafting
committee written by Chaim Weizmann listing the rights under the Mandate for
Palestine and their source that needed to be saved in the UN Charter.
IN Palestine , not ALL and certain communities formerly
belonging to the Turkish Empire does not say Jewish communities.
Abraham Weizfeld is right. There is no mention of state
The mandate system was set up to have more experienced countries help birth new states.
Certainly the anti semitism in Britain gave birth to many illegal
obstacles, but the mandate was clearly that homeland would come to mean state.
In fact the treaty often refers to "development of the country".
It also clearly states that (article 5) "The Mandatory
shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased
to, or in any way placed under the control of, the Government of any foreign
Power."
No Palestine Territory . That is very clear.
The Allies, and later Britain were to hold the land in a sort of
"Trust", with the end result that the Mandatory would hand over the
administration to the Zionist, or clearer the new government they helped set
up.
You seem to be stuck on the word "in" when your read
"in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish
people".
They don't say "inside" Palestine , or "within", they write
"in". That is clearly meaning the land that maps referred to as the territory of Palestine .
You know that in 1920, Mandatory Palestine included what is now Jordan . That 76% portion of the land
mandated to be returned to the Jews was broken off and ceded (illegally) to the
Arabs. So even if we take your meaning, the tiny sliver, the minority portion
of the larger Palestine was all that was returned to the
Jews.
You also seem to want to center on the the protection of the
rights of the existing non-Jewish communities.
You must know that unique to Israel and in contrast to the most advanced
democracies -- the Jewish state gives the languages and religions of its
various minorities official status. Thus, Arabic is an official language
alongside Hebrew, and Muslim and Christian holidays are considered official
holidays.
Non-Jews inIsrael enjoy the exact same civil rights as
Jews. Israel is unique among the middle east
countries created by the Mandate system, and kept that promise.
Non-Jews in
"They don't say "inside" Palestine , or "within", they write
"in". That is
clearly meaning the land that maps referred to as theterritory of
Palestine ."
clearly meaning the land that maps referred to as the
Your comprehension is not 20/20.
"A Pan-Syrian Congress, meeting
in Damascus , had declared an independent state
of Syria on 8 March 1920.[6] The new state
included Syria , Palestine , Lebanon and portions of northern Mesopotamia which had been set aside under the
Sykes-Picot Agreement for an independent Arab state, or confederation of
states. King Faisal was declared the head of state. At the same time Prince
Zeid, Faisal's brother, was declared regent of Mesopotamia .
TheSan Remo conference was hastily convened. Great Britain and France both agreed to recognize the
provisional independence of Syria and Mesopotamia , while "reluctantly"
claiming mandates for their administration. Palestine was composed of the Ottoman
administrative districts of southern Syria . Under customary international law,
premature recognition of its independence would be a gross affront to the
government of the newly declared parent state. It could have been construed as
a belligerent act of intervention without any League of Nations sanction.[7] In any event, its
provisional independence was not mentioned although it continued to be
designated as a Class A Mandate. ... The decisions of the San Remo conference confirmed the mandate
allocations of the First Conference of London (February 1920). The San Remo
Resolution adopted on 25 April 1920 incorporated the Balfour Declaration
of 1917. It and Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations were the
basic documents upon which the Mandate for Palestine was constructed.[9]
Britain received the mandate for Palestine and Iraq; France gained control of
Syria including present-day Lebanon." http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
The
Abraham Weizfeld Evidently there is no mention of a "Jewish
Israel".
Abraham Weizfeld: San Remo Resolution - April 25, 1920
It was agreed -
(a) To accept the terms of the Mandates Article as given below with reference to Palestine, on the understanding that there was inserted in the process-verbal an undertaking by the Mandatory Power that this would not involve the surrender of the rights hitherto enjoyed by the non-Jewish communities in Palestine ... The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 8, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
It was agreed -
(a) To accept the terms of the Mandates Article as given below with reference to Palestine, on the understanding that there was inserted in the process-verbal an undertaking by the Mandatory Power that this would not involve the surrender of the rights hitherto enjoyed by the non-Jewish communities in Palestine ... The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 8, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
Abraham Weizfeld A national home for the Jewish people is not a
Nation-State. Even under the provisions of the Partition Plan Resolution 181 of
the UN GA, the self-proclaimed State of Israel violates the boundaries set
forth under the resolution. As for the recognition of the Palestine State , now acknowledged, if the Palestine State is not to be considered legal then
the State of Israel would also have to be considered illegal, under
international law.
Abraham Weizfeld: Furthermore what is
called 'Eretz-Israel' is not a State in itself but quite specifically a Land,
upon which there has always been multiple Nations co-existing.
The rights to statehood were put in trust until the Jewish
population in Israel was ready to use them. They were
intended by the settlors of the trust to vest when the Jews had attained a
population majority in the territory they would rule, and the capability of
exercising sovereignty. See 1933 Montevideo convention on the rights and duties
of states that codifies required capabilities.
Clearly, the fundamental elements of international law that were
set, at first, to avoid a conflict between Arab and Jew and then to resolve the
Arab Israeli conflict have been:
San Remo Conference decisions, 1920
League of Nations decision, 1922
UN Charter, Article 80, 1945
UN Charter, Article 80, 1945
The way to implement these have been designed and presented to
the UN which passed, at its Security Council unanimously, UN Security Council
242, 1967
One only wonders, if the Muslim-Arabs are so adamant against
these elements of international law, do they actually seek peace or rather Israel 's demise...??
yes u hit the nail on the head. Now add the fact that G-D gave
this land, all of it, to us. It is in the bible.
Also there is no such thing as a Palestinian, only an Arab who
happens to be living in Israel . Tell it to Pres Obama.
The key phrase is "Palestinian
People". Anyone who lives in the Palestine territory can be called a
"Palestinian". The preamble to the 1964 PLO Charter defines who the
Arabs call Palestinians and that keeps changing. Under international law you
must have an unchanging definition. There was an Arab People in 1922 and there
still is, but Lord Curzon who succeeded Balfour agreed that the Arabs had been
rejected in their claim for national rights to Palestine . Curzon was no friend of the Jews.
There is no God.
If you think that the bible is an actual historical document,you
need to have your head examined.
For sure David Hanson has not actually read the Torah (part of
the old testament of the Protestant Bible).
The covenant with the prophet Abraham was for the descendents to live on the Land forever, and that includes the Arabs, since the first born Ishmael was of an Egyptian mother, Hajjar. Since polygamy was fashionable at the time, there is no priority to be given to the first wife Sarah, who was Sumarian in any case.
The covenant with the prophet Abraham was for the descendents to live on the Land forever, and that includes the Arabs, since the first born Ishmael was of an Egyptian mother, Hajjar. Since polygamy was fashionable at the time, there is no priority to be given to the first wife Sarah, who was Sumarian in any case.
The Ishmaelites
never were "Arabs" and in fact Ishmaelites intermarried with Arabs
therefore it is erroneous to assert that the Arabs are Ishmael's descendants.
It is more appropriate to say that some Arabs are descended from Ishmael than
it is to say the all Arabs are descended from Ishmael. Guillaume's "The
life of Muhammad", p. 46.
As to the Jewish National Home and the establishment of the modern state of Israel in Palestine under international law, the fact is when one reads the minutes from the San Remo Conference and the Anglo-American Treaty of 1924 the only conclusion one can come to is that the Mandate for Palestine was intended to facilitate the reconstitution of the ancient Jewish National Home and an Independent Jewish State in the area designated under the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement which included portions of the East "Bank" of the Jordan River up to the Hejaz Railway with a buffer zone between the railway and the Border of the Jewish National Home. Simply read Article 25 inserted in the Mandate forPalestine which was a temporary measure until
such time as local conditions warranted Jewish settlement in the Eastern
Portion of the Mandate Area. Emir Faisal specifically excluded the Western
portion (west of the Hejaz Railway) of "Trans-Jordan" from the
boundaries of the proposed Jewish State which he agreed to under the
Faisal-Weizmann Agreement. Moreover, all he requested for his assistance in
overthrowing the Ottoman Empire was an Independence for the Arabs from any
foreign sovereign which he was given along with his family in the Mandate Areas
of Iraq and Syria and included the Modern Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, from which
they were kicked out since his Hashemite Family had ruled from Mecca since the
10th Century. Howard Grief has properly International Law on the subject and no
one to date has presented a cogent argument which refutes his position!!!
As to the Jewish National Home and the establishment of the modern state of Israel in Palestine under international law, the fact is when one reads the minutes from the San Remo Conference and the Anglo-American Treaty of 1924 the only conclusion one can come to is that the Mandate for Palestine was intended to facilitate the reconstitution of the ancient Jewish National Home and an Independent Jewish State in the area designated under the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement which included portions of the East "Bank" of the Jordan River up to the Hejaz Railway with a buffer zone between the railway and the Border of the Jewish National Home. Simply read Article 25 inserted in the Mandate for
This historical
facts is absolutely necessary to release to those countries in favor of a
Palestinian state. Even it is necessary information for the general public
especially regarding the Jewish land rights to their Biblical land.
As I wrote to
Howard upon receipt of this letter a few days ago: "Yeah Howard!"
Thank you for publishing this! Thank you Barry!
Renanah
Thank you for publishing this! Thank you Barry!
Renanah
With The Legal Foundation and Borders of Israel under
International Law (Mazo Publishers, Jerusalem ) Canadian-born Israeli
constitutional scholar and lawyer Howard Grief has given us a book that
shatters every myth, lie, misrepresentation and distortion employed over the 61
years of Israel 's existence to negate the sovereign
rights of the Jewish People to their national home.
It is a lengthy treatise - 660 pages plus a 50-page appendix - but the Jewish people's long and tortuous struggle to retrieve their stolen patrimony deserves nothing less than full disclosure. Anyone who has ever been at a loss to counter the slanders and calumnies that are the stock in trade of the Israel-bashers and anti-Semites on both the Left and Right will treasure every one of its 20 illuminating chapters.
It is a lengthy treatise - 660 pages plus a 50-page appendix - but the Jewish people's long and tortuous struggle to retrieve their stolen patrimony deserves nothing less than full disclosure. Anyone who has ever been at a loss to counter the slanders and calumnies that are the stock in trade of the Israel-bashers and anti-Semites on both the Left and Right will treasure every one of its 20 illuminating chapters.
Rooted in the premise that the best
antidote to a myriad of small and medium sized fabrications is the exposure of
the whole cloth from which they've been woven, The Legal Foundation lays bare
two dominant myths that have shaped popular perspectives on Israel . The first is the fallacy that
Jewish sovereignty over the land of Israel was the joint product of the 1947
United Nations Partition and the May 15th, 1948 termination of the British Mandate
for Palestine .
In fact, as Grief points out, Jewish sovereignty inPalestine had been validated under
international law 28 years earlier.
"The legal title of the Jewish People to the mandated territory of Palestine in all of its historical parts," he informs us, was first recognized on April 24, 1920 when the post-World War I Allied Supreme Council (Britain, France, Italy and Japan), meeting in San Remo, Italy, "converted the 1917 'Balfour Declaration' into a binding legal document." This was confirmed by the 1920 Treaty of Sevres andLausanne .
How "binding" may be construed from the fact that its wording gave effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of theLeague of Nations and became incorporated into the
Mandate for Palestine .
Indeed, the "San Remo Resolution," within which the Allied Supreme Council's decision is contained, constitutes what the author terms "the foundation document of the State of Israel, the legal existence of which is directly traceable from that document."
That the Jewish People were unable to exercise their sovereignty inPalestine for 28 years - it being assigned to
the British Mandatory power as their de facto agent - did in no way detract
from their 'de jure' rights to the land under international law during that
interregnum.
In this thesis, Grief is ironically supported by both a passionate Zionist, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis and one of Zionism's most implacable opponents, post World War I British Foreign Secretary Lord George Nathaniel Curzon.
Brandeis believed that with the passage of the San Remo Resolution, the debate over who ownedPalestine was effectively over. Curzon called
the Resolution the "Magna Carta" of the Jewish People.
From the initial mis-attribution of Jewish sovereignty in Palestine to the 1947 Partition Plan rather than the 1920 San Remo Resolution, it was just a hop and a skip to a second major mis-representation of Israel's international legal status - the erroneous assumption that the Partition Plan and the May 1948 termination of the British Mandate somehow erased the Jewish People's rights to Palestine in all its historical parts and dimensions enunciated at San Remo, and implemented under the terms of the League of Nations Covenant.
Those "parts and dimensions" were defined inter alia, as including the
northwestern portions of the Golan and most of present dayJordan by the "Franco-British Boundary
Convention" in Paris .
The presumptive cancellation of those rights, Grief submits, is thoroughly discredited by "the principle of acquired rights," codified in the 1969 Vienna Convention on the "Law of Treaties," and the "doctrine of estoppel."
The first, he asserts, insures that "the fundamental rights of the Jewish people did not lapse with the international process which brought them into existence. The second further guarantees that these rights cannot simply be abrogated or denied by those states which previously recognized their existence."
Taken together, they provide what the author terms a "definitive answer anyone who claims that Jewish legal rights and title of sovereignty over all of Palestine and the land of Israel did not continue after the end of the Mandate for Palestine...except in the allotted boundaries of the UN Partition Plan..."
Noteworthy among the states that wholeheartedly endorsed Jewish sovereignty overPalestine in all its "historical parts
and dimensions" was the United States of America - the same U.S.A that today regards Israel 's presence in Judea and Samaria as an illegal "occupation"
of lands upon which it favors the creation of a Palestinian State .
The Obama administration and the Bush administration that preceded it are either unaware or have chosen to be unaware of the fact that the 1924 Anglo-American Convention on Palestine made the U.S. a "contracting party" to the Mandate, further reinforcing a unanimously passed Joint Resolution of the 67th Congress two years earlier, signed by President Warren G. Harding, recognizing a future Jewish State in "the whole of Palestine."
It needs to be borne in mind, Grief notes, that the Mandate forPalestine that was ceremoniously incorporated
into U.S. law in 1924 "was a constitution
for the projected Jewish state that made no provision for an Arab state and
which especially prohibited the partition of the country."
Thus, he concludes, the fierce exception theU.S. has taken to Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria and its unremitting pressure for
creation of a "Palestinian State " amount to a repudiation of its
signature to the Anglo-American Convention on Palestine . It is in violation of American law
and America 's obligations under international
law.
In fact, as Grief points out, Jewish sovereignty in
"The legal title of the Jewish People to the mandated territory of Palestine in all of its historical parts," he informs us, was first recognized on April 24, 1920 when the post-World War I Allied Supreme Council (Britain, France, Italy and Japan), meeting in San Remo, Italy, "converted the 1917 'Balfour Declaration' into a binding legal document." This was confirmed by the 1920 Treaty of Sevres and
How "binding" may be construed from the fact that its wording gave effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the
Indeed, the "San Remo Resolution," within which the Allied Supreme Council's decision is contained, constitutes what the author terms "the foundation document of the State of Israel, the legal existence of which is directly traceable from that document."
That the Jewish People were unable to exercise their sovereignty in
In this thesis, Grief is ironically supported by both a passionate Zionist, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis and one of Zionism's most implacable opponents, post World War I British Foreign Secretary Lord George Nathaniel Curzon.
Brandeis believed that with the passage of the San Remo Resolution, the debate over who owned
From the initial mis-attribution of Jewish sovereignty in Palestine to the 1947 Partition Plan rather than the 1920 San Remo Resolution, it was just a hop and a skip to a second major mis-representation of Israel's international legal status - the erroneous assumption that the Partition Plan and the May 1948 termination of the British Mandate somehow erased the Jewish People's rights to Palestine in all its historical parts and dimensions enunciated at San Remo, and implemented under the terms of the League of Nations Covenant.
Those "parts and dimensions" were defined inter alia, as including the
northwestern portions of the Golan and most of present day
The presumptive cancellation of those rights, Grief submits, is thoroughly discredited by "the principle of acquired rights," codified in the 1969 Vienna Convention on the "Law of Treaties," and the "doctrine of estoppel."
The first, he asserts, insures that "the fundamental rights of the Jewish people did not lapse with the international process which brought them into existence. The second further guarantees that these rights cannot simply be abrogated or denied by those states which previously recognized their existence."
Taken together, they provide what the author terms a "definitive answer anyone who claims that Jewish legal rights and title of sovereignty over all of Palestine and the land of Israel did not continue after the end of the Mandate for Palestine...except in the allotted boundaries of the UN Partition Plan..."
Noteworthy among the states that wholeheartedly endorsed Jewish sovereignty over
The Obama administration and the Bush administration that preceded it are either unaware or have chosen to be unaware of the fact that the 1924 Anglo-American Convention on Palestine made the U.S. a "contracting party" to the Mandate, further reinforcing a unanimously passed Joint Resolution of the 67th Congress two years earlier, signed by President Warren G. Harding, recognizing a future Jewish State in "the whole of Palestine."
It needs to be borne in mind, Grief notes, that the Mandate for
Thus, he concludes, the fierce exception the
Your comment below sounds like a good basis for my PhD
"Mandate for Palestine that was ceremoniously incorporated
into U.S. law in 1924 “was a constitution for
the projected Jewish state that made no provision for an Arab state and which
especially prohibited the partition of the country.”
The article is deficient on on the following premises:
1. It ignores the rights provided in the mandate of the
indigenous Palestinian people;
2. It infers the words "home for the Jewish people" to
mean "homeland";
3. it ignores the fact that Palestine was declared as a "State"
under a Class A mandate under tutelage in 1922 and it took legal effect in
1924. Palestine had its own courts etc;
4. It assumes that all Jews have a "connection" to the
land of Palestine as stated in the mandate in complete
contradiction to the facts.
It has been proven beyond doubt that:
1. Ashkenazi Jews some 75% of world Jewry are Judaized (convert Jews) see the work of Eran Elhaik Israeli Geneticist;http://gbe.oxfordjournals.o...
1. Ashkenazi Jews some 75% of world Jewry are Judaized (convert Jews) see the work of Eran Elhaik Israeli Geneticist;http://gbe.oxfordjournals.o...
2. There was never a Roman exile of
the Jews some 2000 years ago see the work of Israeli Historian The Myth of the
Jewish Exile from the Land of Israel : A Demonstration of Irenic
Scholarship Yuval, Israel Jacob;https://docs.google.com/fil... JeCa2Z7hV2szWm1VYmVlckE/edit
3. The Palestinian People are the Hebrews of the bible amongst
other tribes of the biblical land as traced in the Demographic History of
Palestine in Wikepedia;
In these circumstances one can completely discount the Myth of
the Diaspora and therefore the supposed Aliyah Jewish Right of Return, as well
as any Jewish "Connection" to the land of Palestine as required under the mandate.
Finally Professor John Quigley in his book "The Statehood
of Palestine" clearly spells out the fact that Palstine has been a state
continuously since 1924 and Israel is a state that ceded a part of Palestine in 1924.
Professor Quigley shows that British legal opinion questioned
wether Israel can be formed as as a state in a
legal sense and the United Nations in 1948 refused the Syrian request to obtain
such an opinion.
Under those circumstances and from a
legal perspective it may be worthwhile to obtain final legal judgment on the
question of Palestinian and Israeli Statehood.
Before mid 1970s in the English Language dictionaries the term
Palestinian People had never been used.
The Columbia Encyclopedia,New York & London , Columbia University Press, 1968 in
the article on Palestine there's not a single word "a
palestinian". The reason was that there were no Palestinian people in
1968. For the first time in the Global arena the term Palestinian People was
used on December 22 1976 UN General Assembly document
A/Dec/31/318 Resolution 31/318.
And here I am citing from Wallace Edward Brand's "SOVIET RUSSIA, THE CREATORS OF THE PLOAND THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE":
"The revelations of the highest ranking Soviet bloc defector, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa [Romania ], show that the peace process is,
and has from the outset, been nothing but a charade.
It all started with the creation of a fictitious "Palestinian People" who allegedly demand political self determination. This collective noun was created by the Soviet disinformation masters in 1964 when they created the Palestinian Liberation Organization, the "PLO". The term "Palestinian People" as a descriptive of Arabs inPalestine appeared for the first time in the
preamble of the 1964 PLO Charter, drafted in Moscow . The Charter was affirmed by the
first 422 members of the Palestinian National Council, handpicked by the KGB.
Why inMoscow ? The 1960s and 1970s were the years
the Soviets were in the business of creating "liberation
organizations": for Palestine and Bolivia in 1964, Columbia 1965, in the 70s "The Secret
Army for the Liberation of Armenia " that bombed US airline offices
in Europe , and "The Democratic Front for
the Liberation of Palestine that bombed Israelis." But the PLO, was by far
its most enduring success....
In the PLO Charter preamble they actually had to use the phrase "Palestinian Arab People" to exclude those Jews who had retained a presence inPalestine since Biblical times and had been a
majority population in Jerusalem as early as 1845. Romanian Communist
dictator Ceausescu, at Soviet urging, persuaded Arafat to abandon his claim of
wanting to annihilate the Jews in Israel in favor of "liberating the
Palestinian People" in Israel.
Why? A brilliant strategy. That was the first step in reframing the conflict between the Arabs and the Jews from religious jihad to secular nationalism in a quest for political self determination, a posture far less offensive to the West. By focusing on political liberation for a small group of Arabs, it ignored the fact thatIsrael is a small state whose existence is
threatened by the surrounding Arab states. These are states that outnumber its
population many fold with Muslims who are commanded by an extreme form of their
religion to kill infidels to take back land formerly controlled by Muslims. It
creates Jews, ignoring they are a small group, as oppressors of an even smaller
discrete group of Arabs, described in the Charter as Palestinian Arabs
excluding those in Jordan, Judea, Samaria and Gaza. (After the 1967 war, and
the Isreali conquest of Judea, Samaria and Gaza, the exclusions for Arabs in
those areas were removed the Charter). It transforms the Jews from victims to
oppressors. "
The Columbia Encyclopedia,
And here I am citing from Wallace Edward Brand's "SOVIET RUSSIA, THE CREATORS OF THE PLO
"The revelations of the highest ranking Soviet bloc defector, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa [
It all started with the creation of a fictitious "Palestinian People" who allegedly demand political self determination. This collective noun was created by the Soviet disinformation masters in 1964 when they created the Palestinian Liberation Organization, the "PLO". The term "Palestinian People" as a descriptive of Arabs in
Why in
In the PLO Charter preamble they actually had to use the phrase "Palestinian Arab People" to exclude those Jews who had retained a presence in
Why? A brilliant strategy. That was the first step in reframing the conflict between the Arabs and the Jews from religious jihad to secular nationalism in a quest for political self determination, a posture far less offensive to the West. By focusing on political liberation for a small group of Arabs, it ignored the fact that
No it does not imply Jewish Home or
Homeland means a Jewish State.
It means there was a phased plan in which a Jewish Homeland would grow into a Jewish State when the Jews had a population majority in the territory under consideration and the capability of exercising sovereignty. Nor did it ignore the individual political rights of the Arabs (there was no Palestinian People at the time) The Arabs individual political rights were preserved as civil rights. Even if Ashkenazi Jews had no connection toPalestine , the Mizrahi Jews clearly do and
more than 50% of the Jews in Palestine are Mizrahi from the Middle East .
It means there was a phased plan in which a Jewish Homeland would grow into a Jewish State when the Jews had a population majority in the territory under consideration and the capability of exercising sovereignty. Nor did it ignore the individual political rights of the Arabs (there was no Palestinian People at the time) The Arabs individual political rights were preserved as civil rights. Even if Ashkenazi Jews had no connection to
So!
I have for you another genetics study that conclude to something else. Enjoy!
http://www.nature.com/natur...
I have for you another genetics study that conclude to something else. Enjoy!
http://www.nature.com/natur...
Relative to Nature scientific magazine where was published the
article about Jewish heritage mention by me previously. "Nature is the
world's most highly cited interdisciplinary science journal, according to the
2013 Journal Citation Reports Science Edition (Thomson Reuters, 2014). Its
Impact Factor is 42.351".
Mr. Ryad mention an article inOxford journals that even is not a
scientific publication and has no rating what so ever. For who is not familiar
with different scientific magazine should know that not all the magazine are
the same. In scientific world there is a classification of all magazines.
Higher numbers means more prestigious articles with higher scientific scrutiny
from an number of scrupoulous scientist. Nature is one of the highest
reputation and they admit only highest quality articles scrutinized by highest
standards. Impact factor 42.35 is absolutely huge. AF
Mr. Ryad mention an article in
Iyad Rafidi, do you really believe
the nonsense you write?
Just an example: Jewish priests Cohanim inherit their priesthood from their father. This was confirmed by genetic analysis of the y chromosome which is as you know inherited by male descendents.
If 75% Jews are not descendents of the Hebrew people, how do you explain all those Cohen,Kohn, Kahan, etc...?
Thank you for your attention
Just an example: Jewish priests Cohanim inherit their priesthood from their father. This was confirmed by genetic analysis of the y chromosome which is as you know inherited by male descendents.
If 75% Jews are not descendents of the Hebrew people, how do you explain all those Cohen,Kohn, Kahan, etc...?
Thank you for your attention
I have no time right now to address all of your inaccuracies,
Iyad, but just very few for starter:
The most important inaccuracy is your contention regarding
"the rights provided in the mandate of the indigenous Palestinian
people;"!!
Without getting into too many "complications" you
ignore the fact that the mandate was issued in order to build a national home
for the Jewish People - not for the "Palestinians"!!!
That said, the mere fact that said "Palestinians" have
rejected the UN Partition Plan, decided to go to war and losing that war,
deprives them from any "rights" they may have had by any twisted
interpretation you may wish to bring up!!!
Their acts do not award them any such prizes!!!!
Their acts do not award them any such prizes!!!!
I'm sorry I don't have the time to go
farther with this. May be another time.
The Palestine Mandate was a trust in which the settlors who
contributed the trust res were the Allied Principal War Powers. The lodestar of
interpreting the trust is the intention of the settlors. This was described in
a memorandum of the British Foreign Office dated December 19, 1917 . The Jewish People had the immediate
right of settlement in Palestine but the collective political rights
were to be held in trust until the Jewish People attained a population majority
in the area to be ruled and the capability of exercising sovereignty. This was
to avoid charges that the government was "antidemocratic. These national
rights vested in two parts. One part vested in 1948 when the Jews attained a
majority of the population inside the Green Line and unified control over the
defined territory and the permanent population. The second part vested when the
Jews attained unified control over Judea , Samaria and East Jerusalem .
"The Official Journal of the League of Nations , dated June 1922, contained a
statement by Lord Balfour (UK) in which he explained that the League's
authority was strictly limited. The article related that the 'Mandates were not
the creation of the League, and they could not in substance be altered by the
League. The League's duties were confined to seeing that the specific and
detailed terms of the mandates were in accordance with the decisions taken by
the Allied and Associated Powers, and that in carrying out these mandates the
Mandatory Powers should be under the supervision—not under the control—of the
League.'[
Article 27 gave a little flexibility to the supervisors of the
trust but they could not alter it in substance. They could not change the
cestui que trust from the Jewish People to the Arab People as has been implied.
And the Permanent Mandates Commission ruled that the UK had no authority to adopt the
changes in the 1939 Mandate. The trust lived on until 1967 when the territory of Judea , Samaria and East Jerusalem vested in the Jewish People even
though the State of Israel has not asserted as yet asserted Jurisdiction over Judea and Samaria . Under Article 80 of the UN Charter,
the UN has no authority to change the rights of the Jews in those territories.
Under the Palestine Mandate the Jewish People could not require
the non-Jewish communities to surrender any of their rights. By providing
internal autonomy to those non-Jewiish communities, they have lived up to their
obligations. The non-Jews in those territories never had collective political
rights to self-determination. They had been under the colonial rule of Turkey for 400 years prior to 1920. All
they had was individual political rights which were saved as "civil
rights", and religious rights also saved.
Iyad Rafidi- By what standards do you
label Arab Palestinians as "Indigenous". Residents of longstanding
are not necessarily Indigenous. And just given documented history, as well as
Family Names indicating place of origin, the Arab Palestinians are not
Indigenous to the that area of the Levant.
•
Mara Cohen,
You're question
implies that you believe that Jews are the only rightful owners of Palestine . If so,
and likewise, by what standards does one label European Jews as the owners of Palestine ? As
Jewish and other scientist DNA research concluded, European Jews aren't even Semites.
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